Re: Breve with double lines on each side

[Reinhold Kainhofer]

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Am Montag, 24. August 2009 21:25:10 schrieb address@hidden:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009, Reinhold Kainhofer <address@hidden> said:
> > Regarding the single- vs. double-line breve: I have not yet found a
> > reference to the single-line breve. Only the double-lined breve can be
> > found practically everywhere:
> > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brevis
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_whole_note
> > http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textd/Doublewholenote.html
> >
> > So, shouldn't we change the default to double-line breves?
>
> what, no print references?

I would have, but IMSLP's anti-ripping script decided that I was a site ripper 
and locked me out of the site!
And I'm currently in my office, where I don't have all my scores and the books 
on music notation.

> Ted Ross, (1970) _The art of Music Engraving & Processing_ shows both
> (also a white-mensural breve) on p A44.  His single-lined one seems to me
> to have a thicker line than the double, but it could be ink spread.
> another sighting on A57, this time just the single line version.  Earlier
> in the text he uses the whitemensural form (two vertical thin lines joined
> by a pair of heavy thick ones,

Yes, I have also seen this version in some old manuscripts (from the early 
19th century).

> the thins making 'ears' above and below;
> all not quite as tall as a full space).
>
> Unicode Music Symbols Page shows the double line at 1D15C.


> Not sure which should be prefered, but the double is clearly needed, and,
> at least at some point in the last century, the old form of the breve was
> clearly acceptable too, making three in all.

I have dealt quite a lot with Joseph Eybler (the Austrian Maestro di Capella 
della Corte Imperiale -- or Hofkapellmeister in German -- from 1824-1846) 
recently. The manuscripts use both the round notes with two vertical lines, as 
well as the neomensural breve (both with one and with two vertical lines).

Sometimes, they also put only one line on the left, but two vertical lines on 
the right. But this is all in hand-written manuscripts.

The baroque-style breve can also still be found in modern prints of masses... 
sorry, again no hard references, but I know I have seen several in the last 
few years.

Cheers,
Reinhold

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