Re: Engraving essay questions and RFC

[Trevor Daniels]

Hi Andrew

Generally looking good.  A few comments, mostly minor:

a) Page 2 has the phrase "Not let down, we created a font of musical 
symbols"
"Not to be deterred," or "Undiscouraged," would be better.

b) Where you compare the shapes of the quarter rests on page 2 it 
might be better to draw attention to the three sharp points in the 
middle, as the one at the bottom seems to exhibit the point :) being 
made the least.

c) Page 3:  the last para of the text immediately below the first 
music example has the references to the two examples the wrong way 
round - the _lower_ measures contain the correction.

d) Page 5, where you compare Lily 1.4 output, I suggest you make it 
clear when 1.4 is first mentioned that this is a very old version. 
This would not be immediately obvious to someone coming to LilyPond 
for the first time.

Trevor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Hawryluk" <address@hidden>
To: "lilypond-devel" <address@hidden>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:18 AM
Subject: Engraving essay questions and RFC


Hi everyone, I'm working on the LilyPond essay, and I'm ready to ask
you some questions.

You can read my current draft at 
http://www.musicbyandrew.ca/essay.pdf
(this is identical to a doc build with my latest patch, except that 
I
have only updated the pages containing the new essay, leaving out 
the
original, the GPL stuff, and the index.) The source file in question
is Documentation/essay/engraving.itely

Questions:

1. Multiple staff sizes and optical line weights. I have a piano +
violin excerpt on page 4 (PDF page 6). If I modify the staff-space 
and
thickness by the same number then I don't get the relatively heavier
lines that I would naturally get using "set-global-staff-size". I am
currently using this:

 \new Staff \with {
     fontSize = #-4
     \override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -4)
     \override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep -3)
   }

This gives me staff lines that I like, but they may not match the
carefully tunes weights of "set-global-staff-size". Also, I think I
should be thickening up the barlines and stems as well.
- Any suggestions on the tweaks I should do to match the
"set-global-staff-size" appearance?

(A previous discussion suggested magstep = 3.5 for these cases, but 
I
am trying to increase the contrast a bit.)

2. Something is wrong with my beaming on page 6 (PDF 8). Any 
guesses?
The source is
\relative c {
 \clef "bass"
 \key d \minor
 \time 3/4
 \mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
 << {\slurDashed d8.-\flageolet( e16) e4.-\trill( d16 e)}
    \\ {d4_2 a2}
 >>
 \slurDashed
 <f' a, d,>4. e8( d c)
 \slurSolid
 bes g' f e16( f g_1 a_2 bes_3 d,_2)
 \slurDashed
 cis4.-\trill b8_3( a g)
 << {\slurDashed d'8.( e16) e4.-\trill( d16 e)}
    \\ {<f, a>4 a2}
 >>
}

3. As you can see, I have started a comparison of Finale / LilyPond 
/
real engravings. The scores are on the last 3 pages. (Note that the
Finale example has been clipped just a bit to close on the right 
hand
side. I will fix this.) My preliminary observations are

- Finale rests are always at the same heights (in v1/v2 situations).
- Finale doesn’t interlock notes nicely (mm. 28–29).
- Finale misses the B-flat in mm. 33!
- Finale’s beamed stems are almost always too long when they extend
off the staff.
- LilyPond 2.13.5 currently has a vertical spacing problem (no 
padding
between staves).
- LilyPond could use a little more space before the first note of 
mm. 30, 33–34.
- LilyPond’s ties to beat 1 of mm. 31 are shorter than any of the
reference scores, and Finale’s are even worse.
- LilyPond’s stems are often shorter than any of the references,
especially RH mm. 31.

Have I missed anything?
Please discuss?
Maybe a couple of those items should be bug reports? Although I want
to be fair in this essay, I also don't want to

4. I believe that I have now incorporated the most valuable elements
of the original essay into the nicer structure that Trevor began. Do
you agree or did I miss something? (There are probably still things 
to
add, but I don't think they will come from the old essay.)

5. Any other thoughts? The essay has been a prominent piece of
LilyPond 'marketing' and I want to know that community is getting 
the
upgraded essay that they want.

Thanks,
Andrew


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