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Re: Figured bass, Was: Re[2]: using 'flat' or # in a title
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Laura Conrad |
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Re: Figured bass, Was: Re[2]: using 'flat' or # in a title |
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Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:20:37 -0400 |
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>>>>> "Mats" == Mats Bengtsson <address@hidden> writes:
Mats> It would be easy to add a new chord style that outputs figures,
Mats> but I definitely doubt that anyone would be happy about it.
I can imagine an implementation of a chord style that would realize a
figured bass in the MIDI output, but I certainly don't know enough to
write it.
Mats> The reason is that the chord implementation internally represents
Mats> each chord as a list of notes, which than is translated into the
Mats> corresponding chord symbol. We have had long discussions on the
Mats> lists on all the different standards for chord notation and I think
Mats> the figured bass notation in baroque music is even less standardized.
I'm not sure about that. That is, of course what a good continuo
player does to realize the part isn't standardized at all, but what 6
means when put over an A in a given key signature is pretty standard.
Mats> Also, I'm certain that almost all of us who use Lilypond to typeset
Mats> baroque music are trying to produce Urtext editions and especially
Mats> for figured bass we should be able to typeset exactly what the
Mats> composer wrote himself in the manuscript.
I agree that we should be able to do this; I'm not at all sure that
urtext is what we're all trying for. I'm most often trying for
something I can transpose to play with my 415 recorder, or into a good
key for my serpent.
Mats> Today, I know that some people, including Laura, typeset figured bass
Mats> using a Lyrics line. This has the advantage that you get horizontally
Mats> aligned figures for each staff line. I'm not sure how convenient it
Mats> is when you want to stack several figures on top of each
Mats> other.
No lyrics are at all convenient in lilypond, which puts them
in a completely different place from the notes. In ABC, where I still
do most of my data entry, it's a lot more convenient; if there are
figures on most of the notes, typing them is pretty easy. You're
right, the ones on top of each other are less convenient, especially
since abc2ly doesn't understand resynchronizing the lyrics with the
notes at a line break.
The major problem I have with the stuff I've done is that when you
have two figures on the same note, the spacing doesn't come out right.
If you look at
http://serpent.laymusic.org/lconrad/homepage/music/schutz/jubilate/fagotto.ps,
or
http://serpent.laymusic.org/lconrad/homepage/music/schutz/jubilate/fagotto.ly,
you can see that the first note in the fourth measure of the bass
line, the 6 should be directly under the note, and the 5 should be
half way between the note and the next note, and they're both in the
wrong place.
Mats> I myself, typeset figured bass using text scripts. This will not give
Mats> the horizontal alignment but keep the figures close to the notes.
Mats> Also, it's easy to stack them vertically.
I don't do that largely because it seems like a lot more typing.
Mats> To summarize, I would definitely be willing to try to implement
Mats> a better support for figured bass, but honestly I cannot see
Mats> how to design any such system that's better than what you can
Mats> do today (except for the symbols). If you have any good ideas,
Mats> please post them here.
As I said, some way to get the horizontal spacing better is what I
chiefly need. Maybe a special lyrics mode? That would allow some
syntax for vertical symbols?
Jérémie> The most flexible way I've found for typesetting
Jérémie> figured bass is your way : text markups. Though it's a
Jérémie> lot of code for three numbers.
Jérémie> ex: 7
Jérémie> 2
Jérémie> 3
Jérémie> becomes : a_#'(finger (lines "7", "2", "3"))
I agree. But maybe there could be macros defined?
Jérémie> Though the fingering font look the best to me for this
Jérémie> kind of stuff (small and bold), I can conceive that
Jérémie> may not be suitable for two reasons :
Jérémie> - for the reasons you specified (is that the font
Jérémie> that have an ill suited layout?).
Jérémie> - because it would be ugly to use the same font for
Jérémie> fingering and figured bass (though baroque music
Jérémie> never originally have the fingerings, so this
Jérémie> shouldn't be too much a problem).
That seems like a soluble problem -- there must be a property
statement that says what the font is, and if someone needed both, they
could use two different ones? Especially since you would probably put
the fingerings above the staff and the figures below?
--
Laura (mailto:address@hidden , http://www.laymusic.org/ )
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