Re: Some questions from a novice

[Edward Sanford Sutton, III]

On Saturday May 15 2004 13:47, you wrote:
> Hi.
> I have LilyPond 1.6.5. installed (Cygwin) and have tried it for the first
> time.  Look nice, spent quite some time to get things working out.  I have
> some questions, things I'm not able to find out how to 'implement'.

That is quite old now and upgrading to at least 2.0 if not 2.2 may give you 
better results. Some cygwin mirrors aren't up to date.

> Enclosed below is my program.
>
> 1: The first 3 notes (a triple) should be played as one quarter note.  I
> thought that I would have to specify "\times 2/3", however doing that
> results in the whole piece being shifted (result all wrong).

if the measure only has those notes, you should tell lilypond that the measure 
is smaller; partial measures or different time signatures could both work.

> 2: The first "\grace" note should be right in front of the first Es (in the
> second bar of the piece), however it is printed as the last note in the
> first bar.

showed fine on my side if i follow right

> 3: How should I use the "\partial"?  I doesn't seem to be needed in this
> example.

see 1:

> 4: Bar number 10 is the final should have the mark "Fine", however when
> entering a non-number in the "volta" statement, LilyPond generates an
> error.

i'm not sure. i'm tired, haven't used those repeats myself before, and v1.6.5 
seems to have had very different repeat notation; other people and examples 
could help you more than i could right now.

> 5: Bar number 19 should be the first bar of section marked Trio.  It is in
> a new key (2 b's while the rest has 3 b's).  The change in "b" indication
> ends up at the end of bar 18 and again a "\grace" note which should be the
> first in the 19th bar is placed in a separate bar.  Actually the repeats
> should be something like ":|:".

  i think there was some weird repeat+grace bugs brought up semi-recently; 
they lead to measure length problems though if i remember right. i think my 
newer lilypond version placed your grace where it belongs again.
  keychanges and clefchanges should be after a measure, and actually gets 
stated twice if it is at a staffline breaking; does your measure 19 display 
at the start of a line, or in the middle of one?

> 6: Should LilyPond be able to handle national characters ?

I'm expecting v2.4 (which is probably going to be a while yet) may have good 
support; the email archives have a lot of discussion that should help for 
previous versions since it is already possible.

> Hope someone is able to help me out.  Really nice program, however somewhat
> hard to get started.  Please answer to me directly.
>
> Sincerely Nikolai Kirsebom
>
> PS: Is there any newsgroup for lilypond ?

the mailinglist(s)?

i hope this may help you

>
>
>
> \paper { textheight = 150 * \staffspace
>            linewidth=-1. }
> \include "paper16.ly"
> \include "norsk.ly"
>
> mus = \notes {
>     \key es \major
>     \times 1/3 { b8(\f c'8 )d'8-\segno } \repeat volta 2 { \grace { d'16 }
> es'4 g8. g16 g4 \times 1/3 { g8( f8 )g8 } \grace g16 as4 f8. f16 f4 r8
> es'8\p \times 2/3 { [ d'8( es'8 )f'8 ] } [ d'8.( )b16 ] \times 2/3 { [ c'8(
> d'8 )es'8 ] } [ c'8. a16 ] \grace a16 b4 b8. b16 b4\f \times 2/3 { [ b8(
> c'8 )d'8 ] } \grace d'16 es'4 g8. g16 g4 \times 2/3 { g8( f8 )g8 } \grace
> g16 as4 f8. f16 f4 r8 as8\f  \times 2/3 { [ g8( as8 )b8 ] } [ g8.( )es16 ]
> \times 2/3 { [ f8( g8 )as8 ] } [ f8. es16 ] }
>     \alternative { { es4 es'8. es'16 es'4 \times 2/3 { [ b8( c'8 )d'8 ] } }
> { es4 es'8.( )g'16 es'4 r4 } } \break
>     \property Score.repeatCommands = #'((volta "0") end-repeat) es4_"FINE"
> es'8. es'16 es'4 r4 \property Score.repeatCommands = #'((volta #f))
>     \repeat volta 2 { r1^"1" r2 r4 r8 es'8\f \times 2/3 { [ d'8( es'8 )f'8
> ] } [ d'8.( )b16 ] \times 2/3 { [ c'8( d'8 )es'8 ] } [ c'8. a16 ] \grace
> a16 b4 b8. b16 b4\f \times 2/3 { [ b8( c'8 )d'8 ] }
>     \grace d'16 es'4 b8. h16 c'4 b4 b4 c'8. ces'16 b4 f'4 g'4 g'8. g'16 f'4
> f'8. f'16 es'4 es'8. es'16 es'4^^ r4 }
>     \repeat volta 2 { \key b \major \grace { a16\p^"Trio" } b8.( a16 b8.
> )g16 f4 f4 \grace a16 b8.( a16 b8. )g16 f4 f4 [ b8\f a8 ] [ b8 r16 g16 ] [
> g'8 f'8 ] [ d'8 r16 d'16\p ] [ d'8( c'8 ] [ )es'8. c'16-. ] [ c'8( b8 ] [
> )d'8. b16-. ] [ b8( a8 ] [ )c'8. d'16-.\< ] [ c'8 b8 ] [ a8. \!c'16 ] }
>     \alternative { { f'4\f f'8. f'16 f'2-> } { \grace a16 b4\f b8. b16_"D.S
> al Fine" b4 \times 2/3 { b8( c'8 )d'8-\segno} } } \bar "|."
>
>
> }
>
> \score {
>   \notes \context Staff {
>     \property Staff.TupletBracket \set #'direction = #1
>     \property Staff.minimumVerticalExtent = #'(-5 . 4)
>     \property Staff.instrument = #'(lines "Floyte" "(C)")
>     \time 4/4
>     \clef "G"
>     \transpose c'' \mus
>   }
>   \header {
>     title = "Brudemarsj"
>     composer = "Arne Bjorndal"
>     tagline = "..."
>     subtitle =   "fra Seljord, Telemark"
>     enteredby =  "NK"
>     %piece =      "Allegretto scherzando"
>     copyright =  "N.R."
>     description = " "
>   }
> }
>
>
>
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