Re: \compressMusic \grace note woes...

[Trent Johnston]

Thank you once again Mats...

Does this ever come up enough to be documented somwhere??

Trent
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mats Bengtsson" <address@hidden>
To: "Trent Johnston" <address@hidden>
Cc: <address@hidden>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: \compressMusic \grace note woes...


> The grace notes in all the parts need to have the same duration, which
> means that the one in the beginning of Contb should read
> \grace s8*2/3
> to compensate for the difference in time scales.
>
>    /Mats
>
> Trent Johnston wrote:
>
> >Yes it's me again...
> >
> >Still find this tricky... Looks like the grace note problem with
beginning a
> >score with a tuplet is also a problem with using \compressMusic....
> >
> >I've put in the blank grace notes in the other parts but it doesn't seem
to
> >help..
> >
> >Any help or hints appreciated yet again.
> >
> >Trent...
> >
> >============================================================
> >
> >% Created on Thu Sep 29 10:03:17 EST 2005
> >\version "2.7.10"
> >\header {
> >}
> >#(set-global-staff-size 16)
> >
> >\include "english.ly"
> >
> >\paper {
> > bottommargin = 3\cm
> > linewidth = 7.12 \in
> >
> >}
> >
> >FluteIb = \new Staff  {
> > \time 4/4
> > \set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(12 . 8)
> > \set Staff.midiInstrument="flute"
> > \key bf \major
> > \clef treble
> > \relative c''
> > \compressMusic #'(2 . 3) {
> >%bar 1
> >\grace d8 c8.( b16) c8 g'4 ef8 \grace d8 c8.( b16) c8 r r af
> >%bar 2
> >g4 af'8 g4 f8 ef( d) c r8 r4
> >%bar 3
> >R1*12/8
> >%bar 4
> >r4. r4. r4 r8 r8 r8 g'
> >%bar 5
> >\grace { g16([ a] } bf4) c,8 c8. d16 e8 \grace g8 f( e) f r r af
> >\bar "|."
> >}}
> >FluteIIb = \new Staff  {
> > \time 4/4
> > \set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(12 . 8)
> > \set Staff.midiInstrument="flute"
> > \key bf \major
> > \clef treble
> > \relative c''
> > \compressMusic #'(2 . 3) {
> >
> >%bar 1-2
> >\grace s8 R1*12/8*2
> >%bar 3
> >\grace d8 c8.( b16) c8 g'4 ef8 \grace d c8.( b16) c8 r r af
> >%bar 4
> >g4 af'8 g4 f8 ef( d) c r8 r4
> >%bar 5
> >e4. g c, r4 r8
> >\bar "|."
> >} }
> >Contb = \new Staff  {
> > \time 4/4
> > \set Staff.midiInstrument="cello"
> > \key bf \major
> > \clef bass
> > \relative c' {
> >%bar 1
> >\grace s8 c4 bf af8 g af c,
> >%bar 2
> >b8 a b g c d ef d
> >%bar 3
> >c4 bf af8 g af c
> >%bar 4
> >b8 a b g c d ef c
> >%bar 5
> >c'4 bf af8 g af f
> >\bar "|."
> >}}
> >
> >
> >
> >%%MOVEMENT II Largo - Andante
> >\score {
> >
> >   \new StaffGroup <<
> >   \FluteIb
> >   \FluteIIb
> >   \Contb >>
> >
> > \layout  {    }
> >}
> >
> >============================================================
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Trent Johnston" <address@hidden>
> >To: "Mats Bengtsson" <address@hidden>
> >Cc: <address@hidden>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:24 AM
> >Subject: \compressMusic
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Thanks Mats...
> >>
> >>I re-read the section about this and found that the only reference to
> >>
> >>
> >\times
> >
> >
> >>was
> >>
> >>"The latter is done with \compressMusic, which is similar to \times, but
> >>does not create a tuplet bracket."
> >>
> >>
> >>To me this doesn't describe very accurately that you use \compressMusic
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>same way as \times but more that it's function output is similar to
\times
> >>but no bracket or tuplet number is created. I think the phrase 'similar
> >>
> >>
> >to'
> >
> >
> >>is the problem and may it should be changed to:
> >>
> >>"The latter is done with \compressMusic, which is entered similar to
> >>
> >>
> >\times,
> >
> >
> >>but does not create a tuplet bracket."
> >>
> >>Even your reply to me makes more sense of the use of the function
> >>
> >>\compressMusic works the same way as \times, i.e. that it only applies
to
> >>the music expression after the first argument. In other words, you have
to
> >>enclose all the music into curly braces.
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks again,
> >>
> >>Trent
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>
> >>From: "Mats Bengtsson" <address@hidden>
> >>To: "Trent Johnston" <address@hidden>
> >>Cc: <address@hidden>
> >>Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:42 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Beginning a piece with tuplets with a grace note or
> >>appoggiatura
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>If you read the manual a bit more carefully, you will notice that
> >>>\compressMusic works the same way as \times, i.e. that it only
> >>>applies to the music expression after the first argument.
> >>>In other words, you have to enclose all the music into curly braces.
> >>>The simplest solution in your example, is to reuse the already existing
> >>>curly braces that you have for \relative c':
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>staffFlute = \new Staff  {
> >>> \time 4/4
> >>> \set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(12 . 8)
> >>>
> >>> \set Staff.instrument="Flute"
> >>> \set Staff.midiInstrument="flute"
> >>> \key bf \major
> >>> \clef treble
> >>> \relative c'' \compressMusic #'(2 . 3) {
> >>>
> >>>%bar 1
> >>>\grace d8 c8.( b16) c8 g'4 ef8 \grace d8 c8.( b16) c8 r r af
> >>>%bar 2
> >>>g4 af'8 g4 f8 ef( d) c r8 r4
> >>>%bar 3
> >>>R1.
> >>>%bar 4
> >>>r4. r4. r4 r8 r8 r8 g'
> >>>%bar 5
> >>>\grace { g16([ a] } bf4) c,8 c8. d16 e8 \grace g8 f( e) f r r af
> >>>%bar 6
> >>>g4 e8 c4 bf'8 af( g) f r4 r8
> >>>%bar 7
> >>>d4. f4. bf, r4 r8
> >>>\bar "|."
> >>>
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>>}
> >>>
> >>>(Note also that the full bar rest should read R1. or R1*12/8 since you
> >>>are in 12/8.)
> >>>
> >>>   /Mats
> >>>
> >>>Trent Johnston wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Thanks Mats..
> >>>>
> >>>>I had a look but following the example this doesn't seem to produce
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>anything
> >>
> >>
> >>>>except the  12/8 time signature.
> >>>>
> >>>>In fact changing the compress music doesn't seem to have any effect at
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>all.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>The example from the manual seems to work.. so I can't see what's
wrong
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>in
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the example below...
> >>>>
> >>>>Windows XP
> >>>>Lilypond 2.7.10
> >>>>
> >>>>========================
> >>>>
> >>>>% Created on Thu Sep 29 15:45:05 EST 2005
> >>>>\version "2.7"
> >>>>\header {
> >>>>}
> >>>>
> >>>>\include "english.ly"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>staffFlute = \new Staff  {
> >>>>\time 4/4
> >>>>\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(12 . 8)
> >>>>       \compressMusic #'(2 . 3)
> >>>>\set Staff.instrument="Flute"
> >>>>\set Staff.midiInstrument="flute"
> >>>>\key bf \major
> >>>>\clef treble
> >>>>\relative c'' {
> >>>>
> >>>>%bar 1
> >>>>\grace d8 c8.( b16) c8 g'4 ef8 \grace d8 c8.( b16) c8 r r af
> >>>>%bar 2
> >>>>g4 af'8 g4 f8 ef( d) c r8 r4
> >>>>%bar 3
> >>>>R1
> >>>>%bar 4
> >>>>r4. r4. r4 r8 r8 r8 g'
> >>>>%bar 5
> >>>>\grace { g16([ a] } bf4) c,8 c8. d16 e8 \grace g8 f( e) f r r af
> >>>>%bar 6
> >>>>g4 e8 c4 bf'8 af( g) f r4 r8
> >>>>%bar 7
> >>>>d4. f4. bf, r4 r8
> >>>>\bar "|."
> >>>>
> >>>>}
> >>>>
> >>>>}
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>\score {
> >>>><<
> >>>> \staffFlute
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>\midi {
> >>>>}
> >>>>
> >>>>\layout  {
> >>>>}
> >>>>}
> >>>>
> >>>>\paper {
> >>>>}
> >>>>
> >>>>========================
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "Mats Bengtsson" <address@hidden>
> >>>>To: "Trent Johnston" <address@hidden>
> >>>>Cc: <address@hidden>
> >>>>Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:26 AM
> >>>>Subject: Re: Beginning a piece with tuplets with a grace note or
> >>>>appoggiatura
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>In addition to Erik's answer, you may want to take a look at
> >>>>>section "8.4.1 Polymetric notation" in the manual.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> /Mats
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Trent Johnston wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hello again,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm currently typesetting a trio sonata by Locatelli...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>In one movement the the two flutes are in 12/8 time while the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >Continuo
> >
> >
> >>>>>>part is in Common time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>This is ok I thought I can set the flute parts in tuplets and
> >>>>>>fake 12/8 time-signature at the beginning... since essentially this
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >is
> >
> >
> >>>>>>what the composer is doing setting the time signature as 12/8 so the
> >>>>>>players wouldn't be overwhelmed with triplets everywhere.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>But there is a problem with beginning the first note of the system
> >>>>>>with either a grace note or appoggiatura. I get the first bar with
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>>>>>grace or appogiatura but then there seems to be a restart of the
> >>>>>>systems and the resest of the music continues.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I get the same problem if change the notes to triplet groups as well
> >>>>>>i.e. \times 2/3 {       } etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Platform: Windows XP
> >>>>>>Lilypond Version: 2.7.10
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Is this a bug? or Is there something I need to do?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Trent
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>The code is here...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>==================================
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>% Created on Thu Sep 29 18:19:46 EST 2005
> >>>>>>\version "2.7"
> >>>>>>tsMarkup = \markup { \override #'(baseline-skip . 0) \number
> >>>>>>{\center-align { "12" "8" } } }
> >>>>>>\header {
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>\include "english.ly"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>staffFlute = \new Staff  {
> >>>>>>\time 4/4
> >>>>>>\set Staff.instrument="Flute"
> >>>>>>\set Staff.midiInstrument="flute"
> >>>>>>\key bf \major
> >>>>>>\clef treble
> >>>>>>\relative c'' {
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>%bar 1
> >>>>>>\appoggiatura d8 \times 8/12 { c8.( b16) c8 g'4 ef8 \appoggiatura d
> >>>>>>c8.( b16) c8 r8 r af }
> >>>>>>%bar 2
> >>>>>>\times 8/12 { g4 af'8 g4 f8 ef( d) c r8 r4 }
> >>>>>>%bar 3
> >>>>>>R1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>\bar "|."
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>staffFluteII = \new Staff  {
> >>>>>>\time 4/4
> >>>>>>\set Staff.instrument="Flute"
> >>>>>>\set Staff.midiInstrument="flute"
> >>>>>>\key bf \major
> >>>>>>\clef treble
> >>>>>>\relative c'' {
> >>>>>>bar 1-2
> >>>>>>R1*2
> >>>>>>%bar 3
> >>>>>>\times 8/12 { \appoggiatura d8 c8.( b16) c8 g'4 ef8 \appoggiatura d
> >>>>>>c8.( b16) c8 r8 r af }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>\bar "|."
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>staffCello = \new Staff  {
> >>>>>>\time 4/4
> >>>>>>\set Staff.instrument="Cello"
> >>>>>>\set Staff.midiInstrument="cello"
> >>>>>>\key bf \major
> >>>>>>\clef bass
> >>>>>>\relative c' {
> >>>>>>%bar 1
> >>>>>>c4 bf af8 g af c,
> >>>>>>%bar 2
> >>>>>>b8 a b g c d ef d
> >>>>>>%bar 3
> >>>>>>c4 bf af8 g af c
> >>>>>>\bar "|."
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>\score {
> >>>>>><<
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> \staffFlute
> >>>>>> \staffFluteII
> >>>>>> \staffCello
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>\midi {
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>\layout  {
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>\paper {
> >>>>>>}
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>====================================
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
>
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>-- 
> >>>>>=============================================
> >>>>>Mats Bengtsson
> >>>>>Signal Processing
> >>>>>Signals, Sensors and Systems
> >>>>>Royal Institute of Technology
> >>>>>SE-100 44  STOCKHOLM
> >>>>>Sweden
> >>>>>Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463
> >>>>>       Fax:   (+46) 8 790 7260
> >>>>>Email: address@hidden
> >>>>>WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe
> >>>>>=============================================
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>-- 
> >>>=============================================
> >>>Mats Bengtsson
> >>>Signal Processing
> >>>Signals, Sensors and Systems
> >>>Royal Institute of Technology
> >>>SE-100 44  STOCKHOLM
> >>>Sweden
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> >>>        Fax:   (+46) 8 790 7260
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