Re: Offsetting a turn horizontally

[Mats Bengtsson]

Sorry for the confusion in my previous answer. A more precise statement
of what I tried to say yesterday is:
If you have polyphonic music and there was a note in some other
stave (or in some other voice of the same stave) one  beat after
the beginning of the f2, then the turn will be placed exactly on top of
that, if you use the << f2 {s4 s^\turn}>> construct. However, if
nothing else happens, musically, at that beat, it's
not really well defined where on the horizontal axis, the beat
actually appears, so you cannot really talk about right or wrong
placement.

Here's an example that illustrates some different options and
situations. As you can see, the difference between a spacer
note and an invisible note is smaller here than in your example,
probably due to that the spacing is more cramped in your example.

\score{
 \relative c'' <<
 \new Staff \new Voice{    % With other music in parallel:
   << { f2( } { s4 s4\turn } >> g4 f ) |
   << { f2( } { s4 \hideNotes d4\turn \unHideNotes } >> g4 f ) |
   \break
   % Single stave, single voice:
   << { f2( } { s4 s4\turn } >> g4 f ) |
   << { f2( } { s4 \hideNotes d4\turn \unHideNotes } >> g4 f ) |
   \break
   % Single stave, turn in a separate Voice context:
   << { f2( } \new Voice { s4 s4\turn } >> g4 f ) |
   << { f2( } { s4 \hideNotes d4\turn \unHideNotes } >> g4 f ) |
     % Hidden note also on the first beat of the f2:
   << { f2( } \new Voice { \hideNotes d4 d4\turn \unHideNotes } >> g4 f ) |
 }
 % Parallel staff during the first two measures
 \new Staff { \repeat unfold 8 c4 }
 >>
}
\layout{ragged-right = ##t indent = #0 }

  /Mats


Quoting Joseph Wakeling <address@hidden>:

> Eyolf Østrem wrote:
> > On 08.10.2007 (17:04), Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> > > Exactly what do you mean. The spacing should be the same as if the turn
> > > was appeared over a true note at the same position in the bar. Try
> > > replacing
> > > the "s" by a pitch to see this.
> >
> > Isn't that what the OP said? A quick test here also confirms that it
> > is true: replacing one or both "s"-s with pitches, changes the spacing
> > the spacing is different with "s" than with a pitch.
> > In fact,
> >
> >    {d4 d4\turn}
> >    {s4 s4\turn}
> >    {s4 d4\turn}
> >    {d4 s4\turn}
> >
> > in the original example give four different spacings.
>
> Thanks for the confirmation.  I wrote an email yesterday with a couple
> of PDF attachments to show the difference but it got lost ... I take it
> the list doesn't like such files?
>
> Are there suggestions for a solution?  I guess one could put in
> "invisible" notes.
>
> I was kind of hoping there might be some way of overriding the spacing
> for a given note along the lines of, "space this note as if it was
> actually 2 quarter-notes", but I don't know if that's possible ... ?
>
>
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