Re: problems with learning lilypond

[John Sellers]

Understood, and no argument....here then is another suggestion...if this tutorial is as good as you say.  Make sure it crosses the paths of newbies enough that they will end up reading before they get in as deep as I have.

Will I read it?  Yes, may the next time I run into a problem.  But would you tell me where to find it, and just which tutorial you are referring to?  I've read tutorial stuff a few times in the long distant past...and when I do read, I don't always make the associations you expect me to....

Tell you what, I will take a look. I'll even try to go over the a few of the problems I had in the past to see if it answers to them.  There reason I have never looked at the tutorial in question is that I do not use anything beyond the current working stable version---actually the cygwin verison.   Is this learning tutorial going to be part of a stable version soon or might it be a good idea to patch up a generic version of the same that lies in the path of very newbie so obviously that they will get the message and go through it?

---John


Graham Percival wrote:

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:20:23PM -0700, Carl D. Sorensen wrote:
  

On 11/21/08 4:56 PM, "John Sellers" <address@hidden> wrote:

    

The origin of the problem is that developers don't have to walk the path of
the newbies from beginning to end and it is very difficult to provide a whole
documentation structure that is truly responsive to those kind of needs...so
most technical documentation the world over never does successfully do so.
      

Given that nobody on the doc team was an original developer, we
most certainly *did* walk the path of newbies.

  

Good wishes, John Sellers
      

If I didn't make it clear in my earlier post, I'll try to make it clear now.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ME TO DO!
    

Also, John, read the Learning Manual of the 2.11 docs.  I can tell
that you haven't.  Front to back.

  

Won't you please help us figure it out?  You seem to have some good ideas.
Why don't you share them in some specific way so that we can get a clue?
    

General note for newbies: stop complaining that "we don't listen
to newbies" and then refusing to help with the docs.  If you get
involved, we'll listen.

Cheers,
- Graham