Re: Persian musical koron and sori

[Kees van den Doel]

I found a font which has the koron and sori, apparently it's available in 
Finale.

See http://www.pertout.com/PhD2007Introduction.htm links at bottom (downloads) 
for the fonts.

I have no idea how to use this in lilypond though.

Kees
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----- Original Message -----
From: Behnam Rassi <address@hidden>
Date: Monday, February 2, 2009 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: Persian musical koron and sori
To: Kees van den Doel <address@hidden>
Cc: Hans Aberg <address@hidden>, Graham Breed <address@hidden>, lilypond 
<address@hidden>

> Yes of-course send me any relevant picture of Persian music 
> notation.  
> I'm currently in the phase of collecting information as much 
> as  
> possible.
> I also need to study more about the specifics of font making 
> for  
> LilyPond. I did not have time yet to delve in this issue. But 
> I'm  
> pretty much confident it's a no brainer.
> What I'm not clear about is that you don't need just a 
> font  
> containing two glyphs for Sori and Koron right? You need a 
> font  
> containing all necessary glyphs for music writing, including 
> Sori and  
> Koron. So I have to add them to an existing font. Did I 
> understand it  
> correctly? I don't think I will be able to design ALL of them. 
> I'll  
> be able to design Sori and Koron (and Tahrir and whatever else 
> I  
> found consistently used) in visual harmony with other 
> existing  
> notations.
> 
> I will get back to you when I collected the information I need. 
> I did  
> not have time to study the font part yet. I will get back to you 
> when  
> I have a clearer idea about the whole issue.
> 
> Behnam
> 
> On 2-Feb-09, at 7:20 PM, Kees van den Doel wrote:
> 
> > If you want to support  more Persian notation the most 
> important  
> > (and universal) is probably the symbol for tahrir, which is a 
> small  
> > o above (if stems up) or below (if stems down) and in the 
> middle of  
> > two equal notes.
> > Something like
> >    o   
> o        <- tahrir
> > O  O  O
> > |    |   |
> > |    |   |
> >
> > it indicates a small grace note of undefined pitch.
> >
> > There are some symbols for tar/setar and santur as well, let 
> me  
> > know if you want to see any.
> >
> > Kees
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Behnam Rassi <address@hidden>
> > Date: Monday, February 2, 2009 2:46 pm
> > Subject: Re: Persian musical koron and sori
> > To: Kees van den Doel <address@hidden>
> > Cc: Hans Aberg <address@hidden>, Graham Breed  
> > <address@hidden>, lilypond <address@hidden>
> >
> >> I also hopefully will get some pictures from Iran.
> >> The thickness of the lines have also something to do with its
> >> harmony
> >> with other music notes. So this is not much of an issue. But
> >> the
> >> basic shaping has something that should be looked more
> >> carefully. But
> >> generally speaking it is pretty clear to me.
> >> There is apparently some specific notation marks for some
> >> specific
> >> instruments as well (Taar for example) I'm waiting for the scans
> >> to
> >> see what's the situation.
> >> Behnam
> >> On 2-Feb-09, at 4:50 PM, Kees van den Doel wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2 Feb 2009, at 20:58, Kees van den Doel wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have several shelves of Persian music books and I have never
> >>>> seen
> >>>>> that "variation".
> >>>>> The sori is always a rotated = with an > on it, and the koron
> >>>> akways
> >>>>> has the '>' body.
> >>>>
> >>>> That is good to know - I think what you say is best, being
> >>>> most
> >>>> distinguishable (like from an inverted b or some other sharp
> >>>> variation).
> >>>> There is a small subtlety: the usual sharp # is usually 
> drawn a
> >>>> bit
> >>>> slanted (endpoints of vertical bars not exactly level, but
> >>>> moving up).
> >>>> I think this may have to do with how the horizontal lines "="
> >>>> are
> >>>> drawn (somewhat slanted upwards). These horizontal lines are
> >>>> also
> >>>> usually drawn fat.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you see in your examples how the sori is drawn in these
> >>>> respects?
> >>>> That is, are vertical line endpoints level,
> >>>
> >>> No, the vertical lines are just as in the normal sharp.
> >>>
> >>>> and is the ">" fatter?
> >>>
> >>> Usually not, but they are handwritten.  I'll scan in some
> >> more
> >>> examples to compare.
> >>>
> >>> Kees
> >>
> >>
> 
>