Re: How do you run/open Lilypond?

[Carl D. Sorensen]

On 3/24/09 1:22 PM, "Trevor Daniels" <address@hidden> wrote:

> I agree with all you suggest, Carl.  How do we
> make this change?

OK, as far as I know, I've either pushed or proposed patches to implement
all my recommendations.

1) Patch to change Welcome_to_LilyPond.ly has been pushed to git.
2) Patch to add notification to installer window had been proposed to Jan
3) Patch to add link to help page on download page of website has been
proposed to -devel.

Items 1 and 2 will require a new release of 2.12 to become effective.

Item 3 can become effective immediately, as soon as the website is rebuilt.

Thanks,

Carl
> 
> Trevor
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl D. Sorensen" <address@hidden>
> To: "Jan Nieuwenhuizen" <address@hidden>; "Jonathan Kulp"
> <address@hidden>
> Cc: "Jeb" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: How do you run/open Lilypond?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/24/09 9:13 AM, "Jan Nieuwenhuizen" <address@hidden>
> wrote:
> 
>> Op dinsdag 24-03-2009 om 09:55 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef
>> Jonathan
>> Kulp:
>> 
>>> Check the third question/answer on this page:
>>> 
>>> http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=FAQ
>> 
>> Why do we have to send a mail to point to a faq on some off-site
>> wiki?
> 
> There is a Help link on lilypond.org, which tells the user exactly
> how to
> fix things.  So we don't need to have the mail point to the off-site
> wiki.
> It could point to
> 
> <http://lilypond.org/web/help/>
> 
> 
>> 
>> Can't we make lilypond pop-up a web page when invoked without
>> arguments
>> or something like that?
> 
> On my fresh installation of LilyPond 2.12 in Win XP, when I
> double-click on
> the LilyPond icon on my desktop, it opens up to the source file
> Welcome_to_LilyPond.ly which mentions the non-GUI nature of
> LilyPond.
> Granted, you have to read it carefully, because it's in the source,
> but...
> 
> Similarly, when I use the program menu to run LilyPond, it opens up
> Welcome_to_LilyPond.ly.
> 
> So I think we're already getting a pop up window, just not a pop-up
> html
> window.
> 
> Perhaps we need to put more explicit links in Welcome_to_LilyPond.ly
> Currently it reads:
> 
> %{
> Welcome to LilyPond
> ===================
> 
> Congratulations, LilyPond has been installed successfully.
> 
> Now to take it for the first test run.
> 
>   1. Save this LilyPond file on your desktop with the name
> "test.ly".
> 
>   2. Pick it up from the desktop with your mouse pointer, drag and
> drop
>      it onto the LilyPond icon.
> 
>   3. LilyPond automatically produces a PDF file from the musical
> scale
>      below.
> 
>   4. To print or view the result, click on the newly produced file
>      called
> 
>         test.PDF
> 
> 
> That's it.
> 
> LilyPond's interface is text-based. Please read the documentation.
> 
> For more information, visit http://lilypond.org .
> %}
> 
> \version "2.12.0"  % necessary for upgrading to future LilyPond
> versions.
> 
> \header{
>   title = "A scale in LilyPond"
> }
> 
> \relative c' {
>   c d e f g a b c
> }
> 
> %%%%%%%%%% END OF ORIGINAL FILE
> 
> What if we changed it to:
> 
> %{
> Welcome to LilyPond
> ===================
> 
> Congratulations, LilyPond has been installed successfully.
> 
> Now to take it for the first test run.
> 
>   1. Save this LilyPond file on your desktop with the name
> "test.ly".
> 
>   2. Pick it up from the desktop with your mouse pointer, drag and
> drop
>      it onto the LilyPond icon.
> 
>   3. LilyPond automatically produces a PDF file from the musical
> scale
>      below.
> 
>   4. To print or view the result, click on the newly produced file
>      called
> 
>         test.PDF
> 
>    5.  If you see a piece of music with a scale, LilyPond is
> performing
>        properly.
> 
>  Next, you'll want to get started on your own scores.  To do this,
> you'll
>    need to learn about using LilyPond.
> 
> LilyPond's interface is text-based, rather than graphical.  Please
> visit
>    the help page at http://lilypond.org/web/help.  This will point
> you to
>    a quick tutorial and extensive documentation.
> 
>  Good luck with LilyPond!
> 
> %}
> 
> \version "2.12.0"  % necessary for upgrading to future LilyPond
> versions.
> 
> \header{
>   title = "A scale in LilyPond"
>    subtitle = "For more information on using LilyPond, please see
> http://lilypond.org/web/help/";
> }
> 
> \relative c' {
>   c d e f g a b c
> }
> 
> %%%%%%%  END OF REVISED FILE
> 
> Maybe we could also put a comment on the download page for Windows.
> For
> FreeBSD, there is a comment that talks about what to do when you
> download
> the file.  Perhaps it could say something like "After installing,
> please
> visit http://lilypond.org/web/help";
> 
> Perhaps we could also put a message in the main installing box for
> Windows.
> Right now it's blank.  It could read:  "Please note that LilyPond is
> a
> command-line application, not a GUI application.  After
> installation, please
> visit http://lilypond.org/web/help";
> 
>> 
>> I can imagine that not everyone who hits this goes through the
>> trouble
>> of mailing lilypond-user...?
> 
> On the positive side, since the Help page was added to the website,
> we've
> had *far* fewer comments saying "Where's the GUI?"  So either it's
> helped,
> or we've had lots fewer Windows downloads.
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
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