Re: scoop before note

[chip]

In all my years of playing jazz I've never seen a scoop placed above a 
note. I was messing about with using a

\relative c {
\once \override Slur #'positions = #'(-7 . -7)
c'2 \hideNotes \grace c8( \unHideNotes f4) g8 a
}

but no matter what numbers I put in the positions parameters the slur 
does not move. Obviously -7 is way off, but doesn't matter, they have no 
effect. I wanted to see how such a thing would look, it anything like a 
scoop - the gracenote would be hidden but the slur would be left 
visible. The move the slur slightly left so the right end is just to the 
left of the notehead.
--
Chip

Robin Bannister wrote:
> Lewis Overton wrote:
> > I'm curious about what others are doing to print a "scoop" 
>
> I have an occasional need for this when transposing saxophone parts, 
> and then I use brackettips as you do/did [1].
> I first did such bends in a clumsy beginners way and had to put the 
> brackettips in a dedicated auxiliary voice.    It was cumbersome to 
> set up but obediently predictable, which was in contrast to my 
> frustrating attempts trying to tame \bendAfter.    I never perservered 
> with bendAfter; there was no corresponding bendBefore, and it is 
> important to have the same style for all bends.
> But my lowlevel Lilypond has improved, and I recently had another go, 
> which turned out a lot simpler, especially the scoop:
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 2.12 #(define (scoop-stencil grob)  
>  (ly:stencil-combine-at-edge (ly:note-head::print grob) 0 -1   
> (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup #:with-dimensions '(0 . 0) '(0 . 0)
>     #:translate '( -2 . -2) #:musicglyph "brackettips.up" )) 0 0 ))
> scoop = \once \override NoteHead #'stencil = #scoop-stencil 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>
>
> The key to this approach is the zero with-dimensions.   It is of 
> course a trick which lets notehead and stem stay together.  And since 
> it invites collisions, it may well be condemned by layout purists.
> But IMO it works well for the saxophone parts. It leaves the 
> notecolumn spacing undisturbed; this is in keeping with my perception 
> of these bends as articulations, i.e. lightweight qualifications.   
> Collisions are fairly rare, mainly because the sax doesn't do chords, 
> but also because these bends occur mostly on quarter and half notes;  
> for beamed eighths I have a fixed override for widening the preceding 
> stem.   And the scoops are more or less below any accidentals.  
>
> Cheers,
> Robin
>
> [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-04/msg00123.html
>
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