Re: Odd vertical spacing of lyrics

[James Bailey]

On Jan 18, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Phil Holmes wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Solomon" <address@hidden>
> To: "lilypond-user" <address@hidden>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:26 PM
> Subject: Odd vertical spacing of lyrics
> 
> 
>> Hey all,
> 
>> The following snippet is giving me the attached output w/ the soprano line
>> shifted way up after the line break.  Is there any way to get the soprano
>> correctly aligned (w/o changing the distance between systems - this minimal
>> example approximates a larger one w/ many systems over several pages).
> 
> This looks like a regression to me.  With 2.12 I can use :
> 
> between-system-space = 5 \cm
> 
> to space out the systems as Mike is trying to do here.  If I do that, then 
> the lyrics stay well-spaced to the stave.  It looks as if we've lost the 
> ability to space systems out with lyrics on top the stave without the lyrics 
> being wrongly positioned.  Anyone disagree?
> 
> 
> --
> Phil Holmes

I doubt it's a regression, and more likely one of the (in my opinion, adverse) 
affects of the new vertical spacing. There was an email about it recently:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00674.html. If you 
understand the new spacing, it's probably loads easier to make changes, and the 
changes that need to be made make a lot more sense.

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However, I haven't even begun to try to understand all of that yet, when the 
time comes for me to start migrating scores to 2.14, I'm probably just going to 
copy/paste those functions and add them to my global include file. It's a bit 
of a hassle for those of us who set vocal music on closed staffs where the 
lyrics split occasionally. I am really not that technically inclined (I 
constantly remind myself that lilypond was the first time I ever encountered 
anything approaching "programming", and frequently, simply modifying scheme 
snippets I find is a bit daunting for me. So, it's going to take a lot of 
reading before I begin to understand the changes in 2.14. I've also seriously 
been considering not upgrading. I don't like a lot of the new spacing 
decisions, and a lot of the things are, from my point of view, more complex, at 
the expense of being more flexible. An example from a score I finished at the 
end of the 2.11 days:

The former is the 2.12 behavior, the latter, the 2.13 behavior (on the same 
file, which no modifications to spacing, because even in 2.12, that stuff is 
too complicated for me). I find it really clear which text belongs to all 
voices, and which text belongs to individual voices. Without any overrides.

I don't even want to think about how many overrides I'm going to need to get 
the same behavior in 2.14.
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