Re:Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics

[Peter Olin]

Thanks all for help. It's starting to look quite nice.

With a hidden note, one of the en-dashes is nicely placed between words, and not under a note. Pretty much as I hoped it would look. With some additional work on spacing and alignment, I have hopes that it will turn out nicely.

Regarding the second en-dash on the first line, when all is now aligned nicely, I realize that I would like that en-dash to be aligned under the pause symbol, rather than having to introduce that extra following hidden note, which unnecessarily messes up the alignment of the bars.

Is there any hope of acheiving this? Also - is there any way of specifying the physical width of the hidden not that is aligned with the first en-dash?

Note: With the hidden note(s) the bar-marks came out of synch with the visible notes, so I had to resort to using \cadenceOn in combination with \bar.

/Peter 

Here is what my sample looks like at the moment: 

%!TEX TS-program = LilyPond-book

%!TEX TS-program = xelatex

\documentclass[a4paper]{book}

\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

\begin{document}

\title{Bodhicittabönen}

\begin{lilypond}

\layout {

  indent = -1\cm

    line-width = 150\mm

    ragged-last = ##f

    \context {

    \Lyrics

    \override LyricText #'font-size = #+0

        \override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #2.5

        }

    \context {

    \StaffGroup

    \override StaffGrouper #'staff-staff-spacing #'basic-distance = #8

    }

\context {

      \Score

      proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 12)

      \override SpacingSpanner #'uniform-stretching = ##t

      }

}

\relative c'   {\clef G  \time 4/4 \cadenzaOn c c c c \bar "|" c c  \hideNotes c  \unHideNotes d   d \bar "|" d d  c r \hideNotes c  \unHideNotes \bar "|"  \break  }

\addlyrics {Må det väck -- ta sin -- net – vär -- de -- fullt, sub -- limt –  }  

\relative c' {  c c bes bes  \bar "|" c c  d   d \bar "|" c c   c r  \bar "|"   \break }

\addlyrics {Vak -- na hos dem där det än -- nu ej har väckts }  

\relative c' {  c c c c \bar "|" c c  d   d \bar "|" d d  c r  \bar "|"   \break }

\addlyrics {Al -- drig fal -- na där det re -- dan vak -- nat har }  

\relative c' {  c c bes bes  \bar "|" c c  d   d \bar "|" c c   c r  \bar "||"   \break }

\addlyrics {u -- tan stän -- digt väx -- a i all e -- vig tid }  

\end{lilypond}

\end{document}

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:11, <address@hidden> wrote:

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re:Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics (Christ van Willegen)
  2. Re:Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics (Mats Bengtsson)
  3. clashing note columns (David Bobroff)
  4. Re:clashing note columns (David Bobroff)
  5. Re:clashing note columns (Nick Payne)
  6. Change in convert-ly with 2.15.14? (Nick Payne)
  7. Re:A problem with lilypond (Francisco Vila)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:04:53 +0200
From: Christ van Willegen <address@hidden>
To: David Rogers <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden, Peter Olin <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 03:26, David Rogers <address@hidden> wrote:
> This will alert the singer, at the time they need to know, "this is only
> half of the word". In your proposal, if another voice (or the accompaniment)
> has a lot of notes, the dash could end up "in the middle of nowhere", even
> potentially on the next line.

It does not indicate 'this is half a word' in his case, but 'this is a
parenthesis', so i would lessen the confusion (I think!).

Christ van Willegen
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09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 07:38:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mats Bengtsson <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics
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Christ van Willegen <cvwillegen <at> gmail.com> writes:

>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 03:26, David Rogers <davidandrewrogers <at> gmail.com>
wrote:
> > This will alert the singer, at the time they need to know, "this is only
> > half of the word". In your proposal, if another voice (or the accompaniment)
> > has a lot of notes, the dash could end up "in the middle of nowhere", even
> > potentially on the next line.
>
> It does not indicate 'this is half a word' in his case, but 'this is a
> parenthesis', so i would lessen the confusion (I think!).
>
> Christ van Willegen


For completeness, I hope you know about http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=680,
even though it does not answer this specific question.

    /Mats





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:46:40 +0000
From: David Bobroff <address@hidden>
To: lilypond-user <address@hidden>
Subject: clashing note columns
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In a piece I'm doing in LilyPond I have a lot more single-staff
polyphony than I've dealt with before.  I'm getting loads of:

warning: ignoring too many clashing note columns

The *output* looks fine.

Example: http://notendur.centrum.is/~bobroff/lily/measure.png

The 'd' in the half-note chord is tied over from the eighth note and is
in the upper voice.  If I don't flip the stem direction the stem is up
and the note head offset.  If I flip the stem it lines up as in the
original (shown in the link) but I get the warning.  Should I just
ignore this and put up with the warnings?  It is, of course, more
important that the output look good, but I'd also like a 'clean'
LilyPond run, too.

-David



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:12:23 +0000
From: David Bobroff <address@hidden>
To: lilypond-user <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: clashing note columns
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On 10/20/2011 8:46 AM, David Bobroff wrote:
> In a piece I'm doing in LilyPond I have a lot more single-staff
> polyphony than I've dealt with before.  I'm getting loads of:
>
> warning: ignoring too many clashing note columns
>
> The *output* looks fine.
>
> Example: http://notendur.centrum.is/~bobroff/lily/measure.png
>
> The 'd' in the half-note chord is tied over from the eighth note and
> is in the upper voice.  If I don't flip the stem direction the stem is
> up and the note head offset.  If I flip the stem it lines up as in the
> original (shown in the link) but I get the warning.  Should I just
> ignore this and put up with the warnings?  It is, of course, more
> important that the output look good, but I'd also like a 'clean'
> LilyPond run, too.
>
> -David
>
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Ah, it seems I found my answer here:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.14/Documentation/snippets/simultaneous-notes#suppressing-warnings-for-clashing-note-columns

-David



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:31:36 +1100
From: Nick Payne <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: clashing note columns
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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)On 20/10/11 20:12, David Bobroff wrote:
> On 10/20/2011 8:46 AM, David Bobroff wrote:
>> In a piece I'm doing in LilyPond I have a lot more single-staff
>> polyphony than I've dealt with before.  I'm getting loads of:
>>
>> warning: ignoring too many clashing note columns
>>
>> The *output* looks fine.
>>
> Ah, it seems I found my answer here:
>
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.14/Documentation/snippets/simultaneous-notes#suppressing-warnings-for-clashing-note-columns

Just be aware that if you turn on this override (\override NoteColumn
#'ignore-collision = ##t), and are also merging differently headed notes
in different voices, then the heads of merged half notes get filled in.
Without the override they don't:

\version "2.15.14"

\relative c' {
    \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
<< { c16 a' b a } \\ { c,2 } >>
    \override NoteColumn #'ignore-collision = ##t
<< { c16 a' b a } \\ { c,2 } >>
}


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:43:44 +1100
From: Nick Payne <address@hidden>
To: "address@hidden" <address@hidden>
Subject: Change in convert-ly with 2.15.14?
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I use jEdit with Lilypondtool to edit ly source files. I recently
installed LP 2.15.14, and now, when I open an ly file in jEdit and run
convert-ly from the Lilypondtool menu or toolbar, I get two error
dialogs from jEdit. The first is titled "I/O Error" and says "Each
buffer can only execute one I/O operation at a time. Please wait until
the current operation finishes before starting another one". Behind that
is another dialog titled "Files changed on disk", and says
"Automatically reloaded: ", followed by the name of the file.

I haven't seen these messages before when running previous versions of
convert-ly with the same editing setup, and I have been using jEdit and
Lilypondtool for a considerable time without any version upgrade to
either. jEdit 4.4.1 and Lilypondtool 2.12.932 on Ubuntu amd64. In the
jEdit global options I have it set to automatically reload open files if
they are changed on disk, but this is how I have always had it set, and
these error messages have only been appearing since installing LP 2.15.14.

Nick




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:11:30 +0200
From: Francisco Vila <address@hidden>
To: Martin Tarenskeen <address@hidden>, LilyPond-User list
       <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: A problem with lilypond
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2011/10/20 Martin Tarenskeen <address@hidden>:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Francisco Vila wrote:
>> 2011/10/19 ?<address@hidden>:
>>> I?were wondering if there is someway to fill the code and at same time
>>> generating the score for me to see what I am writting?
>> When I am typing music with Frescobaldi, I usually type a measure at a
>> time and press CTLR-M immediately, then I continue typing without
>> waiting for LilyPond to finish.
>> Sure, that puts the CPU in heavy load, but only for the period I am
>> transcribing intensively.

> I have tried different text-to-score music typesetting systems (mup,
> abcm2ps, pmw, and lilypond). Lilypond has become my first choice because of
> flexibility and quality of output. But compared to the other ones, speed is
> not it's strongest point. It is I think the flexibility (=complexity) in
> combination with the Scheme interpreted language that makes it slow. The
> competitors I mention are all 100% hardcoded compiled C programs. Lilypond
> is "easier" to tweak by the end-user thanks to the Scheme language.
>
> The trick address@hidden is asking for is possible with for example
> EasyABC, using abcm2ps, and it works pretty good for small to medium sized
> scores.
>
> But to end positively: today's fast computers make it already much easier to
> live with Lilypond's slowness.

I think that LilyPond is not especially slow considering what it does:
it does not limit itself to stroke your commands on a paper.  It
performs a beauty contest in search of optimal layouts given a bunch
of typesetting rules and restraints.  That way you can firstly
concentrate on music until you decide that you want this or that
forced layout.

--
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com



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