Re: Dynamics clashing with stem of cross-staff knee beam

[Caio Barros]

I just remembered a piece by Luciano Berio: Leaf, the second of 6 encores for piano edited by Universal edition that has this (a beautiful piece by the way). In two cases the dynamics go right before the stems and everything goes a little to the right and in another it goes above an ascending cross staff. On the other hand the dynamics never changes during a cross staff, only before it.
I can send a pdf but I don't know if this causes some copyright issues.

If I remember something else I'll write.

2011/12/9 Caio Barros <address@hidden>

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
This is one of those situations that falls into the "uncertain desired output" category.
Shifting the dynamic to the left or right dissociates it from the note, and whiting it out covers up a good portion of the stem.

Yes. I'm making an edition of a modern composition and I had to think a bit if I wanted the dynamics clashing or not because the association with the note but since it's a big orchestral composition and there was plenty of space available I end up bringing the dynamics a little to the left. In the beggining of the staff like the example I sent I honestly don't know what would be the best solution.
 

It'd be not-very-hard to drum up an automated solution, but what we're really missing are examples from the literature.  If you have time to peruse scores from reputable editors and send us examples, we can work from that.

I will try to look at something.