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Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port
From: |
Graham Percival |
Subject: |
Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port |
Date: |
Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:57:16 +0000 |
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Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) |
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:00:43PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> address@hidden writes:
>
> > Forgive me, I don't mean to be evasive. The official FreeBSD
> > ports tree includes only 2.14.2 at present (as the print/lilypond
> > port). Given that a call for testers was made recently, I
> > decided to create a port framework for FreeBSD so that I can
> > track frequent upgrades of pre-release development versions using
> > BSD's convenient ports system.
>
> So what is the difference as compared to the version on the LilyPond
> download page? What makes the download for FreeBSD that we offer less
> desirable?
FreeBSD users like to compile from source. A "port" is a
(relatively) thin wrapper around configure && make && make
install. In addition to doing the actual compile, the "port" also
checks&installs any dependencies.
My brother (freebsd) likes to brag that his new laptop can compile
KDE and firefox in less than 12 hours or something. I personally
don't see the point -- CPU-specific compiler tweaks don't make all
that much difference to most software -- but hey, live and let
live, right?
In linux-land, Gentoo is the closest thing.
> Those are serious questions. If the package we are offering for FreeBSD
> is not in a state where it is what a FreeBSD user could actually use,
> then we need to change the offering, or can stop wasting the time and
> energy for providing this version.
Patches to GUB will be thoughtfully considered. As far as I'm
concerned, let sleeping GUBs lie.
> The question is: why not use the already compiled package for FreeBSD
> provided on <URL:http://www.lilypond.org/development.html>?
Technical reasons? not many. Cultural reasons? they don't like
binaries.
> > Ports are a standardized way of installing any of nearly 24,000
> > different software packages on many BSD systems (FreeBSD, NetBSD,
> > etc.) while managing their dependencies, and managing upgrades.
>
> What does the package offered on our download page do in contrast?
Our binaries provide a ready-to-run system (i.e. 15 seconds to
install the binary, vs. 30-120 minutes to compile lilypond plus
dependencies), but require a non-standardized way to install (i.e.
the shell script) and uninstall (i.e. the uninstall-lilypond
script) lilypond.
> Remember: I don't use FreeBSD. Only you can answer this question and
> thus tell us in what way what we are offering currently is a waste of
> time and effort.
Nah, I can answer the question. :)
Relax. He's being a nice freebsd person, and what he's doing will
be understood by other freebsd people. It's nothing that the
lilypond developers should be concerned about.
- Graham
- lilypond 2.15.33 kind-of a release candidate, Graham Percival, 2012/03/09
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 kind-of a release candidate, Janek WarchoĊ, 2012/03/09
- lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, lilypond, 2012/03/09
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, Francisco Vila, 2012/03/09
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, lilypond, 2012/03/09
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, Francisco Vila, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, David Kastrup, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, lilypond, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, Graham Percival, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, David Kastrup, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port,
Graham Percival <=
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, David Kastrup, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, lilypond, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, Valentin Villenave, 2012/03/11
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, lilypond, 2012/03/11
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, Frank Wuest, 2012/03/11
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, lilypond, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, David Kastrup, 2012/03/10
- Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, Graham Percival, 2012/03/10
Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, lilypond, 2012/03/09
Re: lilypond 2.15.33 available as a FreeBSD port, Francisco Vila, 2012/03/12