Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

[Shane Brandes]

It's funny. I think i have used \absolute maybe three times. It is too
much extra typing.

Shane

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Keith OHara <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Colin Hall <colinghall <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > In my early days with Lilypond I learned this to my cost. I've never
>> > used \relative since then.
>
> I stopped using \relative about a year ago, because absolute note entry is
> vastly easier.
>
> When writing, I do not generally remember the previous note (more likely the
> previous chord, or the first note in the previous phrase).  Even when I do,
> for some reason determining whether I am moving more than a nominal fourth
> takes some mental effort. LilyPond punishes a single mistake in this mental
> effort by placing every following note in the wrong octave.
>
> I do, however, have in mind the range of the instrument, and can \transpose
> so that written c d e f g a b falls in the center of that range.  In
> borderline cases I prefer putting the home octave a bit higher, because ,
> is one keystroke for me while ' requires two.  Transposed absolute entry
> puts me in control.
>
> \relative c' {} might work better if applied to short passages, but I can
> never remember to close the }.  Just after typing a note, I am not thinking
> that I might soon forget what I just typed.  When I do forget, looking back
> to remember is easier than going back to close the }.
>
> When I did use \relative c' {} it was a burden to think ahead "the first note
> I want will probably be an f'', so the nearest C is c'' ".  The new proposal
> for \relative {...} removes that burden.
>
> David Kastrup <dak <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Well, stuff can get rather wordy, and mixing \transpose c c''' in scores
>> together with \transposition was a recipe for audible surprises.  Quick:
>
> The combination  \transpose c c, { \transposition bes \clef bass c' d' }
> means "Typed c' represents concert bes " in version 2.16.  In version 2.18
> it will mean "Printed c' represents concert bes "  (the new way being more
> consistent with the case where there is no \transposition setting at all).
> Neither way is terribly confusing.  Both are details that I tend not to
> remember, so I take a guess and adjust once after I see if the cue notes
> come out right.
>
>   Transposed absolute note entry rocks.   Relative note entry sucks.
>
>
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