Re: lilypond presentation

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/6/24 Karl Hammar <address@hidden>
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> Janek:
> > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar <address@hidden>
> > >
> > > Janek:
> > > > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar <address@hidden>:
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > are there any lilypond presentations available I could use this week
> > > > > when presenting lilypond for a few musicians here at Uppsala 
> > > > > Cathedral.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of presentation are you looking for?  I mean, in-depth stuff
> > > > showing how lilypond works inside or something like "look, Finale
> > > > produces ugly notation and LilyPond is better!"?
> > >
> > > Something so that people sees its value and and starts asking
> > > questions.
> >
> > Excellent!  Here are some resources:
>
> > - slideshow i used for a 5-min "flash talk" about music engraving.
> > It's in Polish, but i think images will give you some inspiration:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpz7ius7pk1nqx5/2013.04%20-%20sk%C5%82ad%20nut%20%28flaszki%208.1%29.pdf
>
> Page 5-19 of the above looks bad, are you using bitmaps or what?

yeah, i was doing this fast and used wrong rasterization settings.

> > - some "lilypond vs something else" comparisons, intended to show that
> > typesetting really matters, and that LilyPond fares well here:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgzcnr7bhmnl72x/engraving%20comparisons.zip
> > (in polish again, but if you like them, i'll do a quick-and-dirty
> > translation)
>
>  Eja Finale - wyci?ta 3cia strona.pdf
>
> shows a lot of flaws with finale, but there are nothing to compare
> with.

indeed.  Here's Lilypond version made by me:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjrin3j51cvffbo/Eja%2C%20Mater%20%28LilyPond%29.pdf

>  Eja Mater porównanie.pdf
>
> looks useful but a little short.

Man, you have high requirements ;-)  This is just the "introduction"
to the colored one.

> I will probably not have time to show comparisions.

Just print a few (dozens :P) and give them away.  From my experience
people are usually impressed after they read them.

> > - tell them about crowd-engraving
> > (https://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/crowd-engraving-whats-that-part-1/),
> > and show them the score displayed there.  It was created by people
> > with almost 0 experience in music engraving!  (of course, i had to
> > write a skeleton structure first, but that was a one-time job - If
> > you're interested, i can send you that skeleton).
> > - show them the attached score.  It contains very few overrides, and
> > they are very subtle anyway - even the 100% default output looks
> > excellent.
>
> Hmm, very good point, you don't need x number of finale/sibelius/...
> to make a bigger project feasable.

exactly.


2013/6/25 Karl Hammar <address@hidden>:
> Janek:
>> 2013/6/24 Janek Warchoł <address@hidden>:
>> > - show them the attached score.  It contains very few overrides, and
>> > they are very subtle anyway - even the 100% default output looks
>> > excellent.
>>
>> And another example: a fragment of an excellent engraving of Mozart's
>> Requiem published by Breitkopf in 1952 (peak of traditional engraving)
>> and LilyPond version, which is again virtually untweaked, and looks
>> really similar to Breitkopf:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhycv66tbofcymn/Requiem%20%28Mozart%29.zip
>
> Hmm, you seem to write "Tuis" instead of "tuis" as in the Breitkopf
> edition.

Indeed.  Using capital letter is because of respect (especially since
the words are directed toward God), but apparently this is just a
convention used in Polish language.

> The Breitkops looks like it is easier to read, little bigger text,
> a little more space between coir and klaver staffs. I think I like
> that.

Sure, but the point is that LilyPond's output is nearly 100% default,
and it's already _very similar_.  With nearly 100% default settings,
Finale output would probably be horrible.

> I don't think it helps people to show them the golden standard since
> they don't know what to look for.

That's *precisely* why i give the comparisons mentioned before to
anyone who has at least remote connection with music: show them what
to look for.  Once they read a few such comparisons, they'll start
noticing engraving errors in Finale-made scores and then they'll look
at LilyPond and say "hey, that's *really* interesting!".

> I think I'll stick to plan a,
> showcase + easy examples they can manage themselves.

do as you wish :) just keep in mind that oversimplifying the examples
/may/ give them the idea that Lilypond is only suitable to easy tasks,
which is totally false.

best,
JAnek