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Re: MIDI keyboard


From: Richard Shann
Subject: Re: MIDI keyboard
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:59:44 +0100

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:09:53 -0700
David Rogers <address@hidden> wrote:

> Richard Shann <address@hidden> writes:
> 
> > You could have played the entire piece in by the time you have set
> > about looking for mistakes in the "automatic" entry systems.
> 
> 
> Richard: I think "playing the piece in" is what Johan is asking for,
> and is exactly what you're saying is a bad idea. I don't think what
> Denemo offers can in any sense be called "playing it in". "Entering
> it by typing on the keyboard" is more accurate. Even if I use a
> musical keyboard, the Denemo method is typing,

when you use the musical keyboard (or other MIDI controller) you are
playing the music. It is true that you don't have to play the rhythm
correctly because it is just taking your pitches, but you are playing
the piece, you can't help it.

> not playing. It may be
> the best method - but "playing" is the wrong word.

It is when entering the durations that you can say I am over-egging it
calling this "playing in the rhythm", because again, it doesn't matter
how rhythmically accurate you are, what actually is being read is the
keypress. If you press the wrong key (2 for 3, say) you will get the
wrong rhythm entered - you can hear it make the wrong sound effect, and
the measure indicator will sound at the wrong point, but still you can
get it wrong and have to delete back to where you went wrong.

But I am not trying to mislead calling this "playing in the rhythm", I
am trying to capture the fact that you can & should be playing the
durations in, in time with the music. That is, with practice you can
play the rhythmic structure of the line of music keeping in time and so
following the musical score that you are transcribing as music not data.

Since creating those demos on vimeo I have improved the set of
shortcuts so now you can play three keypresses to enter a triplet and
two to enter a dotted rhythm. I think the set of sound-effects for the
different durations could be improved to make the resultant "music"
less irritating - but if you are keying-in rhythmically it does make a
rhythmical sound that is related to the rhythm of the piece you are
transcribing which justfies calling it playing-in, not typing.

> 
> I've played from a score made by a minor broadway composer from one of
> the software systems you're saying doesn't work well (i.e. he really
> did play his piece into the computer, in real time, from a midi piano
> keyboard). I agree, it was silly and very hard to read because of all
> the rhythmic errors - but it was ten years ago and I haven't seen any
> such scores lately.

I guess because despite all the claims, it doesn't get you what you
want is quickly or pleasantly as you would wish.

Richard






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