Re: HELP: Editor for Blind People

[Hwaen Ch'uqi]

Greetings Antonio,

Please forgive me for beating what is apparently a dead horse, but as
I said before, emacs/emacspeak provides ALL the functionality which
you need for LilyPond. And since your friend is using a mac, these
programs should be easily available for him - though I do not have
experience with mac. The beauty of emacs is that it allows you to have
access to practically the entire desktop without ever leaving emacs.
For example, you  can call up a shell buffer and there not only
compile a LilyPond file, but you can also read the output, including
the error messages. Once you know the line number where an error is
located, you can - with a single keystroke - return to the LilyPond
code and - again, with a couple of keystrokes - jump to that line.
With another command, you can call a buffer which gives you access to
any directory tree, but by default you will be placed in your current
directory, which is where the generated midi output will be located.
Once you have arrowed to the midi file, you can call a command so as
to listen to it. With another command, you can have access to all the
texinfo manuals registered on your system, including those for
LilyPond. There are many other benefits to the emacs/emacspeak
solution, but best of all, LilyPond comes with emacs support. What
this means for your friend is that he will get immediate feedback, for
example, on what his closing brace is actually closing. Emacspeak does
have a user group, and there you may get better instruction on how to
install on mac.

I hope this helps, and do not worry: I will not mention this again on
this post. Only it troubled me to see the same problems discussed when
a solution, though perhaps challenging in the beginning to set up, is
very simple indeed.

Hwaen Ch'uqi


On 9/20/14, Jacques Menu <address@hidden> wrote:
> Hello Antonio,
>
> BBEdit and TextWrangler have great power at handling workflows, maybe you
> could ask them what they can do for the problem you're facing:
>
>       http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/comparison.html
>
> JM
>
> Am 20 sept. 2014 um 07:47 schrieb Antonio Gervasoni <address@hidden>:
>
>>> What I would also encourage you to do is to send an email to Wilbert or
>>> add your suggestions to Frescobaldi's own tracker to maybe say why it
>>> isn't a good choice.
>>
>> Great idea! I will do that!
>> I do use Frescobaldi and I agree, it's really nice! The problem with it
>> is
>> that the log cannot be read, i.e. you can't "focus" on the log as a
>> separate
>> window (or panel) and go line by line with a cursor. As a result,
>> VoiceOver
>> can't read the contents of the log. Clicking on the log (something
>> impossible for him) makes VoiceOver say "you are currently on unknown".
>>
>>> Is there any particular reason that your student cannot 'keep it simple'
>>>
>>> and use a text editor or lilypad that comes with a mac (which is very
>>> simple but does the job)?
>>
>> Yes, I thought of that too. In fact, just the Lilypond app would be
>> enough.
>> No need for a separate text editor. However, I must say it IS cumbersome.
>> I
>> have tried this approach with him before. He has to go constantly from
>> one
>> window to another and then browse for the MIDI file every time he wants
>> to
>> play it. I was just hoping there would be some editor which could make
>> things easier for him. Also, in order to check if there was any error he
>> has
>> to read the log completely after every compilation (sometimes files can
>> be
>> compiled even with errors). A feature to take him directly to the exact
>> place where the error is located would be also very nice. Otherwise, he
>> would have to look for it manually. (For some strange reason, Frescobaldi
>> doesn't take you to the line where the error is located but to the
>> following
>> line instead... on a Mac, at least).
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>>
>>
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