Re: First time Voices user

[Urs Liska]

Am 21. Dezember 2014 21:09:23 MEZ, schrieb "Br. Samuel Springuel" 
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>The piece I'm typesetting is a modern chant "Our Father" that we use in
>
>our morning office.  It's sung acapella and has a melody and harmony 
>line.  The lyrics, dynamics, and articulations are always in sync 
>between the two parts, it's just that the harmony has a different note 
>(effectively, the choir sings a chord, hence my first representation). 
>Hollow note heads correspond to phrases on the same note, solid ones to
>
>single syllables.
>
>I've been able to get a satisfactory visual output using chords, but 
>decided to try and recast it using voices.  Since the same person can't
>
>sing both notes, I thought this would be a more accurate representation
>
>of the structure of the piece.  

That's correct. Imagine you'd want to print out individual parts one day,then 
you'd have the music organized semantically already.

>Also, I needed the practice using 
>Lilypond this way.  As a result, you might say that this is mostly an 
>exercise in using Lilypond.  

Perfectly valid :-)

>Below is a link to a Dropbox folder with 
>the project files for the full piece for those interested.
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lsccob1w3hdnqgj/AACdcqz1W0x1GDSTw2oeO8mla?dl=0
>
>> If you want to have distinct voices (for whatever reason) but want
>them to be printed with only one (upper) articulation, then either
>write the articulations to the upper voice only or (if you need them
>for MIDI) hide them in the lower voice.
>
>I'm not producing a midi file, so I can put the articulations in just 
>one voice as suggested, but something about this strikes me as wrong 
>(which may just be my relative inexperience showing).  My thinking is 
>that both voices are articulated; putting marks in just one voice 
>implies otherwise.  The hiding of simultaneous, identical articulation 
>marks (leave just one showing) is kind of like the hiding of
>accidentals 
>which appear in the key signature, a choice of presentation separate 
>from the musical content.  In F major I still have to write "bflat'", 
>even though the flat sign isn't printed, because that's the note to be 
>sung.  Likewise, the articulation is "sung" and should be included in 
>the musical content, even when it need not be printed.
>
>Is this thinking wrong?

No, that's completely accurate.
Your irritation originates in the fact that you want to produce a score that 
*looks* like chords but is structurally a polyphonic setting.
There's nothing wrong with this but it implies expecting some "uncommon" 
behaviour. Concretely you have to hide the articulations in one voice. OTOH 
when you set it as chords you have to force the direction of the articulations.
That's not a shortcoming or inconvenience of LilyPond but a side-effect of 
doing something beside the conventions.

Urs

>
>As for hiding the articulations, how would I go about doing that?  I 
>assume that I'll need an \omit statement, similar to how I get rid of 
>the stems, but only in the second voice. What would I be omitting?  I 
>tried "\omit Articulation" and that didn't work (raised an error about 
>"bad grob property path").
>
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