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Re: bug in german manual


From: BB
Subject: Re: bug in german manual
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 17:36:18 +0200
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A compromise may be to keep \times for "old" lilypond users but omit it from the new german versions of the manual in favor of \tuplet. There are some good reasons to use \tuplet - at least for me. I do not want to stress the ethymology of the meaning of "times" in this context.

The (excellent and advisable) page for such questions
http://www.dict.cc/?s=tuplet defines
tuplet  =  X-tole {f} [Notengruppierung]

Reagards

On 18.08.2015 16:23, David Kastrup wrote:
Wols Lists <address@hidden> writes:

On 18/08/15 14:56, David Kastrup wrote:
Malte Meyn <address@hidden> writes:

Am 18.08.2015 um 09:01 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard:
(3) As Berndhard said ‘time’ and ‘times’ are indeed very similar words
and ‘tuplet’ describes the functionality better.
(3) Did I say I was an ENGLISH speaker? Looking it up in online
dictionaries, it seems your usage is typical AMERICAN, but to me,
"tuplet" is the *opposite* of triplet, complementary and mutually
exclusive. A tuplet is "two notes played in the time of three" (What
American usage calls a duplet, a word I can't ever remember meeting).
It mimics mathematical verbage where you have "n-tuples".  I don't think
I ever heard of your definition of tuplet.

The Oxford English Dictionary balks at "tuplet", instead offering

     -tuple, adj. and n.

     Pronunciation:
       /ˈtjuːp(ə)l/
     Etymology:  The ending of quintuple adj. and n., etc.
     Chiefly Math.
     Categories »

       With preceding algebraic symbol: (an entity or set) consisting of
       as many parts or elements as indicated by the symbol.

Basically, "tuplet" appears to be an artificially invented term in order
to complement more specific values (such as triplets, duples).

I think that the German term is actually even more closely modeled after
the mathematical term "n-tupel", being "n-tolen" (with specifics Duolen,
Triolen, Quartolen, Quintolen...).





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