Re: Clashing ties & slurs with tieWaitForNote

[Urs Liska]

Thanks, that makes things clearer.
This is definitely what I suggested. The "outer" slur is not a tie but a phrasing slur  and the inner one a slur indicating the bowing.

Urs

Am 21. November 2015 19:58:35 MEZ, schrieb Steve Lacy <address@hidden>:

FYI for the background, this is from the Violin part of a Sibelius piece that I'm re-engraving a section for a friend.  Here's what I'm trying to replicate: 

http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/2/21/IMSLP48762-PMLP06043-Sibelius-Finlandia.Violin1.pdf

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll just drop the tie and use slurs + phrasing slurs. 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 9:58 AM, tisimst <address@hidden> wrote:

Steve,

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Urs Liska [via Lilypond] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Am 21.11.2015 um 18:18 schrieb Steve Lacy:

Any thoughts on avoiding these clashes without having to manually tweak all the slurs?

Yes, writing semantically correct notes, like this:

c''2 \( ( b'4 )  c''4 \)

I can't think of an instrument or musical style where your input makes sense.

If that note should really be tied (i.e. a held note) then you'd need two separate voices, like

{
  \new Staff  <<
    {
      \voiceOne
      c''2. ~ c''4
    }
    \new Voice {
      \voiceTwo
      c''2 ( b'4 )
    }
  >>
}

+1! 

I've played songs on the piano that have this feel, but I agree that something like this should most likely done with multiple voices (and LilyPond handles it much better anyway).

If this is necessary, do you really have that many instances where a manual direction tweak is prohibitive, like the following:

\score{

  {

    \set tieWaitForNote = ##t

  c''2 _( ~ b'4 )  c''4  

    c''2  ~ b'4 _(  c''4 )  

  }

  \layout{}

}

If so, I'd definitely go with separate voices.

Best,

Abraham

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