Re: There is no key signature in the generated Midi file ?

[Urs Liska]

Am 16. Februar 2016 20:44:30 MEZ, schrieb Esko Teerilahti <address@hidden>:
>I also made a quick test with Finale Songwriter. 
>I created a simple woodwind-quintet composition from the template and
>exported to midi file. Key signature is in the control track and has
>only one value,
>eventhough there is e.g. one  Bb instrument in the quintet.
>
>Finale Songwriter then fails to correctly import the same midi file.
>
>So, after all, do  not know what is the correct way. It seems that midi
>files are not meant or thought-to-be-used like this.

What you would probably want to use is MusicXML. Unfortunately MusicXML export 
is still *very* rudimentary, implemented as a start in Frescobaldi.

Urs

>The main thing is that they play correctly, because pitch and time 
>etc. are correct anyway. Notation is another issue.
>
>Esko
>   
>Phil Holmes <address@hidden> kirjoitti 16.2.2016 kello 18.29:
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kastrup" <address@hidden>
>> To: "Esko Teerilahti" <address@hidden>
>> Cc: <address@hidden>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: There is no key signature in the generated Midi file ?
>> 
>> 
>>> Esko Teerilahti <address@hidden> writes:
>>> 
>>>> David Kastrup <address@hidden> kirjoitti 16.2.2016 kello 15.30:
>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your screen shot of MidiYogi _clearly_ shows you looking in the
>control
>>>>> track.  WHEREAS THE KEY (WHICH NEEDS NOT BE THE SAME ACROSS
>TRACKS) IS
>>>>> IN THE INDIVIDUAL INSTRUMENTS' TRACKS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> DID YOU BOTHER TO CHECK THIS?
>>>>> 
>>>> I Did many times but wasn’t smart enough, and nor is the MidiYodi.
>>>> 
>>>> In my own example, main window (in screenshot) shows ’no key
>signature
>>>> available’, regardless which track I selected.
>>>> 
>>>> Then I tried with other midi file, and it shows the correct key
>value,
>>>> regardless which track I selected.
>>>> 
>>>> Then I found the Event examiner.
>>>> In my own example It shows the Key signature in the instrument
>track
>>>> (as you pointed out).
>>>> 
>>>> Whereas, with the other midifile, Key signature IS in the control
>track !
>>>> And the main window only seems to show the key signature, when it
>is
>>>> in the control track.
>>>> 
>>>> So anyway, there is Key signature in the generated midi file.
>>> 
>>> i have no copy of the Midi standard so have to go by hearsay.  For
>>> example, in <URL:http://www.somascape.org/midi/tech/mfile.html#meta>
>it
>>> says
>>> 
>>>   Key Signature
>>> 
>>>   FF 59 02 sf mi
>>> 
>>>   sf is a byte specifying the number of flats (-ve) or sharps (+ve)
>>>   that identifies the key signature (-7 = 7 flats, -1 = 1 flat, 0 =
>>>   key of C, 1 = 1 sharp, etc).  mi is a byte specifying a major (0)
>or
>>>   minor (1) key.
>>> 
>>>   For a format 1 MIDI file, Key Signature Meta events should only
>>>   occur within the first MTrk chunk.
>>> 
>>> Note the last paragraph.  It may be that LilyPond is not heeding the
>>> standard here (somebody would need to check a copy of the standard
>to be
>>> sure, and the standard costs money).  A standard which, by the way,
>>> would seem stupid since key signatures _may_ well be different for
>>> different tracks.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> David Kastrup
>> 
>> 
>> If I use Noteworthy (my favoured entry program) I can enter different
>key signatures for each instrument and this saves and loads them as
>entered.  If I export as midi, the key signature for both instruments
>is changed to be that for the first instrument.
>> 
>> With Sibelius, it appears impossible to use different key signatures:
>enter a signature for instrument one, and it is copied to all the other
>instruments.
>> 
>> --
>> Phil Holmes 
>
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