Re: install frescoba 2.18.2 in Ubuntu

[David Wright]

On Sun 28 Feb 2016 at 08:29:52 (+0100), Bernard wrote:
> Hi Noeck,
> 
> Second reply, I was not reading to careful.
> 
> http://lilypond.org/unix.html before? There is a small "Install"
> section. What was missing for you?
> 
> Yes I saw that, but it was missing install from shell. I really
> prefer using apt-get because I have bad experience  with download
> and install because of the depencies hell.
> So the message should be "do not us use apt-get because you will
> retrieve probably version 2.16.2"
> But even better, use a apt-get ppa repository, this you keep u to
> date your self, without being dependant of Debian.

I'm not sure what Debian has to do with all this. I thought you were
using ubuntu (in the subject line).

The current (jessie/stable) version of LilyPond (LP) is 2.18.2.
The current (jessie/stable) version of Frescobaldi (F) is 2.0.13.

AIUI there is no LP version dependency of Debian's F 2.0.13:
Depends: python (>= 2.7), python (<< 2.8), lilypond, python-poppler-qt4, 
python-qt4, python-pypm, tango-icon-theme

I have tried out Debian's F with lilypond.org's LP 2.19.36 with no
problems AFAICT.

> Like : https://launchpad.net/~frescobaldi/+archive/ubuntu/ppa (but
> the status is unknown, and out of date)
> 
> This info is inconsistent with the Frescobaldi info, and my
> assumption was Frescobaldi was correct. Which was wrong.
> 
> - Should it mention the --prefix option?
> 
> It would help, for me that was not crucial.
> 
> - Should it mention that you can have several versions installed in
>   parallel?
> 
> Yes it sure does. Because I had version 2.16.2 was installed and
> Frescobaldi urge to uninstall previous version of python-ly because
> it can cause inconsistency. Unfortunately I can not recall where I
> found that info.

This is presumably F-speak. AFAIK Debian has only packaged this as
python3-ly and it's not in jessie/stable. This may be why the latter's
version of F is old.

> - Was only the Frescobaldi settings part new to you? Should it be
>   mentioned?
> 
> Yes it would. Installing Frescobaldi does install Lilypond, which is
> very convenient, if it was the correct Lilypond version.
> Frescobaldi should mention only the old version is installed, and go
> the the Lilypond website for info how to install Lilypond 2.18.2.

It's not clear to me what is meant by "correct LP version" or
"Frescobaldi should mention...". Earlier in the thread, Joram points
to http://lilypond.org/unix.html and implies that he has something to
do with its maintenance. (See below.) But that's for LP. There's also
http://frescobaldi.org/download which has instructions about
installing F's dependencies. Is that the page you wish to improve?
If so, you have to bear in mind that people's idea of "correct LP
version" could vary widely.

On that page, there is a link to http://frescobaldi.org/links#distros
which seems to be very out of date. For example it mentions
Debian "testing" with a link to
http://packages.debian.org/nl/squeeze/editors/frescobaldi
That's about six years or three distributions out of date.

I can't find any statement that says you don't need a specific version
of LP to install with a given version of F. It just so happens that at
the moment the stable version of LP (2.18.2) is the same as the
stable version of F (2.18.2 since December 26th, 2015). Perhaps
this is all the more reason to point out that LP from 2.16 to 2.19
will all run with F 2.18.2 (and older versions too).

> On 27-02-16 19:11, Noeck wrote:
> >Hi Bernard,
> >
> >Am 27.02.2016 um 18:54 schrieb Bernard:
> >>Wow, Joram. Thank you very much. Did this work.
> >Glad it helped you.
> >
> >>Update the installation documentation with your info would help very much.
> >There was a similar question just a few days ago, so I take this request
> >for improvement seriously. Did you find the Linux download page
> >http://lilypond.org/unix.html before? There is a small "Install"
> >section. What was missing for you?
> >
> >- Should it mention the --prefix option?
> >- Should it mention that you can have several versions installed in
> >   parallel?
> >- Was only the Frescobaldi settings part new to you? Should it be
> >   mentioned?

Cheers,
David.