RE: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't?

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Fermatas I want to discuss with others before I make very specific plans. I don't see much reason for an entire newline of squares for fermatas, when "daa!" could be equivalent to "daaa" with a fermata. That's just one way to do it.

 

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Subject: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't?
From: "Malte Meyn" <address@hidden>
Date: 3/20/17 5:14 pm
To: address@hidden



Am 20.03.2017 um 22:48 schrieb address@hidden:
> These are the first measures of Beethoven's Fifth in premusic.

This is missing tempo, fermatas and dynamics.

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Subject: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't?
From: "David Kastrup" <address@hidden>
Date: 3/20/17 5:16 pm
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<address@hidden> writes:

> Why don't I ask you to name a notation that does something that
> Parallel Squares could NOT do? Or, if I reversed the roles, and every
> tune on http://abcnotation.com were in my notation, and I approached,
> telling you about the ABC or GUIDO notation I invented, would you see
> any merit in it, or any real reason to implement ABC or GUIDO... Ever?

Sure. LilyPond was created by the same authors who wrote Mpp, a music
preprocessor for MusiXTeX which is somewhat similarly compact and
cryptic as your proposal.

Semilinear notations haven't made the race in math (how great it would
be if you'd express every mathematical formula in FORTRAN, how easy to
understand and derive proofs, right?) or in music (Gregorian neumes are
basically linearly written and preceded the square notation which
followed it).

How do you expect to notate heptuplets against trioles? Least common
multiple? Good luck reading your voice as set against that of other
voices and figuring out the relation to the beat. Have you tried
setting some polyrhythmic Chopin with your system and actually _playing_
it?

What is your actual musical background and proficiency?

> But in any case, I am not a programmer, and have never participated in
> the creation of free software.

Are you a musician? What instrument do you play at what level of
proficiency?

> Before you dismiss my format, and now that you have a sense for how it
> works, I implore you to at least try composing in a text editor, any
> piece of music, simple for now, to feel how natural it is. Think about
> what this could do - one could comfortably convey all the information
> conveyed by sheet music, using only notepad.exe.

Reality check: LilyPond source can be written using only notepad.exe and
conveys all the information written down. So can abc. So can Mpp,
MusixTeX, MuTeX and others.

> There's nothing like it.

That is not valuable in itself.

--
David Kastrup

I am having trouble finding examples of MPP code to look at. Could you help me out? And what about my code is so cryptic? Can't anyone read a "dadadaaa"?

 

I want to look at algebra at a later date. I feel it's fallen victim to the same issues as premusic - over-reverence of centuries-old notation - but I don't yet have an easy solution. It's more than just linearity - it's about designing a file format with a keyboard from the ground up, and not writing the information down on paper as has been done for centuries and basing your file format off of that.

 

Yes, least common multiple for your obscure polyrhythms. It would work, and unless we start talking about pi-lets, it's the sensible way.

 

I play guitar and a few instruments very well by most people's standards, though I'm sure many of you would outshine me. I compose much music that is at least a little complicated, and out of frustration with all existing notation softwares prior to my format, I have never scored it. But who cares if I only play the tinwhistle? It doesn't make my file format into any less of the most sensible plaintext file format for premusic.

 

So Lilypond and MusixTex can be agonizingly written down by hand. They weren't optimized for that purpose, and are designed to render in an entirely different and intensive layout - mine can be comfortably and quickly composed in AND displayed and read in notepad.exe. Again, I implore you to at least try composing music in my format.