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Re: Reducing staff numbers in LilyPond


From: Simon Albrecht
Subject: Re: Reducing staff numbers in LilyPond
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:13:56 +0200

On 16.10.2017 22:10, David Kastrup wrote:
Ken Williams <address@hidden> writes:
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:11 PM, David Wright <address@hidden>
wrote:
It strikes me that notating this unusual effect on one staff
increases ambiguity and the potential for mistakes, compared with
just duplicating the notes on the normal two staves. When choral
basses look at an E on the bottom line of a treble staff, they
don't prepare their voices for singing at the top of their range.

It could end up as a neat way of making yourself unpopular with
Sopranos and Basses alike. Hey, why not go the whole hog and use
a C clef!
I honestly did not expect this kind of response, and I'm getting it
from multiple people.  I asked a technical question and got a whole
bunch of "answers" saying I'm stupid to try to achieve that effect.
They are saying that your notation will not work to convey your idea.
Unsurprisingly, a lot of users on this list are actual musicians.

I've been singing quite a bit of alto myself, and the difference in
timbre from a male singing in the _identical_ octave is actually
irritating to the female altos who then have problems hitting the _same_
octave.

Without that octave of difference, hoping for a unison-sounding(!)
timbre from sopranos and basses at the same pitch is optimistic.  But
then of course you are free to do your own experiments.
Except for Kieren hinting that it will probably be difficult, there
has been *zero* actual discussion about the technical aspects of it.

If LilyPond or its community isn't friendly to people who want to
experiment with notation, I guess I'm finding that out pretty quickly.
The comments weren't about experimenting with notation but with singers.
Yes, they did not answer your question but tried providing related
information, information you did not ask for.  Emotionally, particularly
in a purely written medium, telling "this is a bad idea" apart from "you
are stupid" may not be easy.  It makes working with a medium that
actually exhibits a bout of overeagerness rather than malice easier,
however.

+1
Also, David actually suggested a version that should get you what you want, at least with a few tweaks.

Best, Simon



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