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Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm


From: Andrew Bernard
Subject: Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:33:09 +1100

Hi Blöchl,

Speaking as a harpsichordist myself, with a background in maths and theoretical physics, and consequently a lifelong student of tuning and temperaments, what you say is a little unusual in that a majority of scholars and musicians believe the Well Tempered Clavier was written to establish quite the opposite - that compositions can be made in all the keys and when an appropriate temperament is chosen - not equal temperament, that idea re WTC has been discarded long ago - pieces can be played effectively and well tuned, without offence to the ear, and furthermore the well tempered circulating temperaments of the 18C do indeed show different affekt and colour due to the maths of the tuning and relative tempering amounts of fifths and thirds and how they are distributed.

The title page says:

Das Wohltemperirte Clavier oder Præludia, und Fugen durch alle Tone und Semitonia, so wohl tertiam majorem oder Ut Re Mi anlangend, als auch tertiam minorem oder Re Mi Fa betreffend. Zum Nutzen und Gebrauch der Lehrbegierigen Musicalischen Jugend, als auch derer in diesem studio schon habil seyenden besonderem Zeitvertreib auffgesetzet und verfertiget von Johann Sebastian Bach. p. t: Hochfürstlich Anhalt-Cöthenischen Capel-Meistern und Directore derer Camer Musiquen. Anno 1722.

The well-tempered Clavier, or Preludes and Fugues through all the tones and semitones, both as regards the tertiam majorem or Ut Re Mi [i.e., major] and tertiam minorem or Re Mi Fa [i.e., minor]. For the profit and use of the studious musical young, and also for the special diversion of those who are already skilful in this study, composed and made by Johann Sebastian Bach, for the time being Capellmeister and Director of the Chamber-music of the Prince of Anhalt-Cothen. In the year 1722.

While it does not state the intention to show all keys are playable, it most certainly does not indicate any intention to show how horrid G sharp major would sound. In fact, the very title 'Well Tempered' indicates it is a demonstration of what well tempering can do - allow all keys, major and minor, which meantone systems cannot. As to what tuning system JSB was advocating, it is hard to say, but my money lies with the Lehmann solution, a very nice well tempering, whether Bach intended that exact recipe or not.

I have never seen reference on the internet to WTC being intended as a demonstration of how bad certain keys sound. Every historical tuning treatise was an effort to increase and improve the number of usable keys over time. So I beg to respectfully differ with your claim.

I do note also that when this topic came up I immediately thought your context, then unstated, must have been 18C practice, predating ET.

This is probably off topic by now, and we should move to a tuning list!

By the way, have a look at the Digital Bach Archive and see how Bach writes the key signatures in the WTC. It's interesting. Also note that almost all the pieces have the right hand predominantly in the soprano clef, not treble. There is only one modern edition that dares to do this, as far as I know!

When I get time I intend to make my own scholarly edition of the WTC with the proper original clefs, using lilypond (to come back on topic!)

Andrew



On 8 February 2018 at 19:38, Blöchl Bernhard <address@hidden> wrote:

Not in equally tempered scale. All that feelings of keys refer to the historic tunings. And by the way, do you know that Bachs "Wohltemperierte Klavier" was written just to show how awfull that sounds in the ears of musicians of taht time? (I heard that in my side studies to physics in the Music Academie and you find that theory on the net as well.)


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