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Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations
From: |
Carl Sorensen |
Subject: |
Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations |
Date: |
Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:26:30 +0000 |
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Evan,
Thanks for your feedback. Feedback from new users is important for improving
the Learning Manual.
From: Evan Driscoll <address@hidden>
Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 11:40 PM
To: Carl Sorensen <address@hidden>
Cc: Robert Hickman <address@hidden>, Kieren MacMillan <address@hidden>, David
Kastrup <address@hidden>, Lilypond-User Mailing List <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations
Sorry to jump in here as someone who just (re-)signed up for the list, but I
actually find
+Note that @code{[} and @code{]} do not enclose the notes to be
+slurred.
potentially confusing. I would say something like either "Note that the first
note of the slur appears before the opening @code{(}" or "Note that the
@code{(} marking the beginning of a slur appears after the first note of the
slur", and ditto for beams. (I might say "note pitch" instead of note too, but
that's a more minor point.)
There is a point that I was trying to make with these changes, without jumping
right out and saying it (because I couldn’t find a good place to jump out and
say it). In LilyPond, *ALL* extra things that apply to a note are added
*after* a note, not before. And they are *not* added after a "note pitch". A
note consists of a pitch plus a duration. For a given note, either the pitch
or the duration can be implicit, which means they are not included in the input
but instead get their value from the previous note. Following the note, we get
all the modifiers.
This pattern needs to be understood to be successful in working with LilyPond.
Once you understand this, it's clear that you can't use the ABC notation of
enclosing a series of notes in parentheses.
In the context of the Learning Manual, pitches and durations are introduced in
section 1.2.1. It seems like it would be unfriendly to clutter that section
with a discussion about modifications coming after the note.
Section 2.1 is where we start to introduce all the other things we can add to a
sequence of notes. Section 2.1.3 Ties and Slurs is the first place we add
things to the end of a note. That's why I put the general comment at section
2.1.3 and then put the specific comment about slurs in the Slurs section under
that heading. Apparently this is confusing to the new reader.
I thought that the combination of "Ties and slurs are indicated by adding
special codes after the notes to which they apply" and "The starting note [of a
slur] and ending note are marked with ( and ), respectively" would be
equivalent to the statement "Note that the ( marking the beginning of a slur
appears after the first note of the slur". And the "Note that ( and ) do not
enclose the notes of the slur" was aimed at clarifying a somewhat common
misconception.
Do you think it would be better to eliminate the "Ties and slurs are indicated
by adding special codes after the notes to which they apply" and just say
about slurs:
"The starting note and ending note are marked with ( and ), respectively.
Note that the ( marking the beginning of the slur appears after the first note
of the slur."
Thanks,
Carl
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, (continued)
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, David Kastrup, 2018/04/24
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Karlin High, 2018/04/24
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, foxfanfare, 2018/04/24
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Simon Albrecht, 2018/04/24
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, David Kastrup, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, foxfanfare, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Simon Albrecht, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, David Kastrup, 2018/04/24
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Carl Sorensen, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Evan Driscoll, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations,
Carl Sorensen <=
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Robert Hickman, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Kieren MacMillan, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Karlin High, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Robert Hickman, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, David Kastrup, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Robert Hickman, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Carl Sorensen, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Robert Hickman, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Karlin High, 2018/04/25
- Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations, Carl Sorensen, 2018/04/25