[Pan-users] Re: Pan-users Digest, Vol 72, Issue 21

[Michel Doodeman]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:00:37 -0500
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>    1. Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt (Michel Doodeman)
>    2. Re: Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt (Beso)
>    3. Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt (Duncan)
>    4. Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt (Duncan)
>    5. Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt (SciFi)
>    6. Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt (Duncan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:37:02 +0100
> From: Michel Doodeman <address@hidden>
> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt
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> > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:50:52 +0000
> > From: Beso <address@hidden>
> > Subject: Re: [Pan-users] setting PAN_HOME doesnt work
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> > 2008/11/26 Michel Doodeman <address@hidden>:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > As can be read in the subject: I have a question about the Pan settings 
> > > variable because it fails me. I just cannot get it to work. If I set it 
> > > to whatever directory, e.g. with 'export PAN_HOME=/home/ice/.pan300' (and 
> > > the directory is present indeed), Pan still wants me to add servers from 
> > > scratch after launching. I echoed the environment to verify its value.
> > >
> > > So in other words, it does not read the alternative path in which 
> > > settings can be found. Am I overlooking something?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > how do you start pan? you should start it from the shell in which you
> > set the export or set the pan home as env variable.
> > else it will apply only to the shell session in which you lauched the 
> > export.
> 
> Ah yes. That does the trick indeed. What I did was exporting the path, then 
> starting it from menu. The original ~/.pan2 was differently renamed. So 
> logically Pan prompted me to add servers. This brings me to another point:
> 
> If Pan has been configured and its settings are stored to ~/.pan2 and you 
> then export PAN_HOME to e.g. ~/.pan300 and start pan, all groups disappeared. 
> Both 'subscribed' and 'other'. If I refresh the grouplist I can see the 
> newsgroups I once was subscribed to, displayed again. In bold, under the 
> 'other groups'.
> When I exit, again all groups disappeared from the list. I assume this 
> shouldnt happen. 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:08:00 +0000
> From: Beso <address@hidden>
> Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving
>       doesnt
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> 2008/11/27 Michel Doodeman <address@hidden>:
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:50:52 +0000
> >> From: Beso <address@hidden>
> >> Subject: Re: [Pan-users] setting PAN_HOME doesnt work
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> >> 2008/11/26 Michel Doodeman <address@hidden>:
> >> >
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > As can be read in the subject: I have a question about the Pan settings 
> >> > variable because it fails me. I just cannot get it to work. If I set it 
> >> > to whatever directory, e.g. with 'export PAN_HOME=/home/ice/.pan300' 
> >> > (and the directory is present indeed), Pan still wants me to add servers 
> >> > from scratch after launching. I echoed the environment to verify its 
> >> > value.
> >> >
> >> > So in other words, it does not read the alternative path in which 
> >> > settings can be found. Am I overlooking something?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> how do you start pan? you should start it from the shell in which you
> >> set the export or set the pan home as env variable.
> >> else it will apply only to the shell session in which you lauched the 
> >> export.
> >
> > Ah yes. That does the trick indeed. What I did was exporting the path, then 
> > starting it from menu. The original ~/.pan2 was differently renamed. So 
> > logically Pan prompted me to add servers. This brings me to another point:
> >
> > If Pan has been configured and its settings are stored to ~/.pan2 and you 
> > then export PAN_HOME to e.g. ~/.pan300 and start pan, all groups 
> > disappeared. Both 'subscribed' and 'other'. If I refresh the grouplist I 
> > can see the newsgroups I once was subscribed to, displayed again. In bold, 
> > under the 'other groups'.
> > When I exit, again all groups disappeared from the list. I assume this 
> > shouldnt happen.
> >
> copying over the .pan2 contents into the new location should be enough.
> for example if you use it with the same user just doing a cp -a
> ~/.pan2/* ~/.pan300/ would do a copy of the old .pan2 working dir in
> the new location. under the groups directory you should have a list of
> groups, which are the actual subscribed groups and that contain
> the articles fetched in them.  at every restart pan should be able to
> read the contents of these files and understand that they're
> subscribed groups. from your description it seems that he recognizes
> that he has articles fetched in these groups (the bold usually means
> that there are new articles inside the groups) but doesn't recognize
> that you've subscribed them. try lookin in the left pane (the group
> one) as you should be able to filter by macro categories (subscribed
> and other groups). after subscribing one group usually pan moves the
> group from the other groups grouping to the subscribed one.

That's the thing: I also copied with the -a switch, so it should be a 1 on 1 
copy. When I set PAN_HOME to the new content, all groups have gone while they 
ought to be in the grouplist. Filtering won't help, there are simply 0 groups.

> but i've also noticed a strange thing: for some reason when i try to
> copy the .pan2 folder of another user this ends to be broken. pan
> isn't able to read the data stored in the folder from the other user.
> and the contents of the files inside pan2 directory has exactly the
> same format and intestation. on this issue, if this would apply to
> you, i call out duncan as i think he might be able to figure out
> something of his bigger knowledge about this project.
> 
> -- 
> dott. ing. beso
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:55:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Duncan <address@hidden>
> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt
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> Michel Doodeman <address@hidden> posted
> address@hidden, excerpted below, on 
> Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:37:02 +0100:
> 
> > If Pan has been configured and its settings are stored to ~/.pan2 and
> > you then export PAN_HOME to e.g. ~/.pan300 and start pan, all groups
> > disappeared. Both 'subscribed' and 'other'. If I refresh the grouplist I
> > can see the newsgroups I once was subscribed to, displayed again. In
> > bold, under the 'other groups'. When I exit, again all groups
> > disappeared from the list. I assume this shouldnt happen.
> 
> I think Beso missed the significance of what you said...
> 
> No, if you've exported PAN_HOME pointing at other than the default 
> ~/.pan2, and where you pointed it is empty, pan should NOT know anything 
> about your old subscriptions, including NOT being able to BOLD them 
> because it shouldn't know anything about the other location at all -- 
> it's being pointed at a new one.
> 
> However, someone earlier posted a comment to the effect that a few of the 
> paths in pan are still hard-coded -- they don't obey PAN_HOME.  
> Apparently, the subscribed groups list does obey PAN_HOME, thus, no 
> subscribed groups when you're pointing PAN_HOME at an empty location, but 
> the generic all-group list remains hard-coded and looks at the old 
> location, regardless, and BOLDs those groups that have xref message 
> sequence numbers attached (these are in the group list, IIRC).  If that's 
> correct (and I've not tested it myself to be sure yet), that's a bug, and 
> if there's not yet one filed on it, there should be.
> 
> -- 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:58:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Duncan <address@hidden>
> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt
> To: address@hidden
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> Beso <address@hidden> posted
> address@hidden, excerpted
> below, on  Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:08:00 +0000:
> 
> > but i've also noticed a strange thing: for some reason when i try to
> > copy the .pan2 folder of another user this ends to be broken. pan isn't
> > able to read the data stored in the folder from the other user. and the
> > contents of the files inside pan2 directory has exactly the same format
> > and intestation. on this issue, if this would apply to you, i call out
> > duncan as i think he might be able to figure out something of his bigger
> > knowledge about this project.
> 
> See my reply at the sibling level to yours for one possibility/bug, but 
> the one that sticks out here is permissions.  You said you copied the 
> data over, but you didn't mention changing the permissions so the new 
> user can read it.  Did you forget to change permissions, or did you 
> forget to mention doing so? =:^)
> 
> -- 
> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
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> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:18:24 +0000 (UTC)
> From: SciFi <address@hidden>
> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> My post on this is not two___weeks old yet, it is archived here:
> 
> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.pan.user/10446
> 
> (seems this is a difficult symptom to search for ___ or ___)
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:19:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Duncan <address@hidden>
> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: setting PAN_HOME *does* work; moving doesnt
> To: address@hidden
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> SciFi <address@hidden> posted
> address@hidden, excerpted below, on  Fri, 28 Nov 2008
> 03:18:24 +0000:
> 
> > My post on this is not two___weeks old yet, it is archived here:
> > 
> > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.pan.user/10446
> > 
> > (seems this is a difficult symptom to search for ___ or ___)
> 
> That was it; you were the "someone". =:^)
> 
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