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Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28
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Marcelo Tosatti |
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Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28 |
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Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:32:30 -0300 |
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Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) |
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 04:39:06PM +0300, Dor Laor wrote:
> On 07/05/2011 03:58 PM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 01:40:08PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> >>On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Dor Laor<address@hidden> wrote:
> >>>I tried to re-arrange all of the requirements and use cases using this wiki
> >>>page: http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/LiveBlockMigration
> >>>
> >>>It would be the best to agree upon the most interesting use cases (while we
> >>>make sure we cover future ones) and agree to them.
> >>>The next step is to set the interface for all the various verbs since the
> >>>implementation seems to be converging.
> >>
> >>Live block copy was supposed to support snapshot merge. I think the
> >>current favored approach is to make the source image a backing file to
> >>the destination image and essentially do image streaming.
> >>
> >>Using this mechanism for snapshot merge is tricky. The COW file
> >>already uses the read-only snapshot base image. So now we cannot
> >>trivally copy the COW file contents back into the snapshot base image
> >>using live block copy.
> >
> >It never did. Live copy creates a new image were both snapshot and
> >"current" are copied to.
> >
> >This is similar with image streaming.
>
> Not sure I realize what's bad to do in-place merge:
>
> Let's suppose we have this COW chain:
>
> base <-- s1 <-- s2
>
> Now a live snapshot is created over s2, s2 becomes RO and s3 is RW:
>
> base <-- s1 <-- s2 <-- s3
>
> Now we've done with s2 (post backup) and like to merge s3 into s2.
>
> With your approach we use live copy of s3 into newSnap:
>
> base <-- s1 <-- s2 <-- s3
> base <-- s1 <-- newSnap
>
> When it is over s2 and s3 can be erased.
> The down side is the IOs for copying s2 data and the temporary
> storage. I guess temp storage is cheap but excessive IO are
> expensive.
>
> My approach was to collapse s3 into s2 and erase s3 eventually:
>
> before: base <-- s1 <-- s2 <-- s3
> after: base <-- s1 <-- s2
>
> If we use live block copy using mirror driver it should be safe as
> long as we keep the ordering of new writes into s3 during the
> execution.
> Even a failure in the the middle won't cause harm since the
> management will keep using s3 until it gets success event.
Well, it is more complicated than simply streaming into a new
image. I'm not entirely sure it is necessary. The common case is:
base -> sn-1 -> sn-2 -> ... -> sn-n
When n reaches a limit, you do:
base -> merge-1
You're potentially copying similar amount of data when merging back into
a single image (and you can't easily merge multiple snapshots).
If the amount of data thats not in 'base' is large, you create
leave a new external file around:
base -> merge-1 -> sn-1 -> sn-2 ... -> sn-n
to
base -> merge-1 -> merge-2
> >
> >>It seems like snapshot merge will require dedicated code that reads
> >>the allocated clusters from the COW file and writes them back into the
> >>base image.
> >>
> >>A very inefficient alternative would be to create a third image, the
> >>"merge" image file, which has the COW file as its backing file:
> >>snapshot (base) -> cow -> merge
Remember there is a 'base' before snapshot, you don't copy the entire
image.
> >>
> >>All data from snapshot and cow is copied into merge and then snapshot
> >>and cow can be deleted. But this approach is results in full data
> >>copying and uses potentially 3x space if cow is close to the size of
> >>snapshot.
> >
> >Management can set a higher limit on the size of data that is merged,
> >and create a new base once exceeded. This avoids copying excessive
> >amounts of data.
> >
> >>Any other ideas that reuse live block copy for snapshot merge?
> >>
> >>Stefan
> >
> >
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Dor Laor, 2011/07/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2011/07/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Marcelo Tosatti, 2011/07/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2011/07/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Marcelo Tosatti, 2011/07/05
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Kevin Wolf, 2011/07/06
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Stefan Hajnoczi, 2011/07/07
- Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for June 28, Marcelo Tosatti, 2011/07/07