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Re: [Qemu-devel] cpu modelling and hotplug


From: Zhu Guihua
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] cpu modelling and hotplug
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:27:56 +0800
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Hi all,

May I know whether the discussion is still ongoing?

I checked Andreas's git tree, there was no changes about the topology.

Plz let me know the schedule about this.

Thanks,
Zhu

On 04/07/2015 08:43 PM, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
We had a call and I was asked to write a summary about our conclusion.

The more I wrote, there more I became uncertain if we really came to a
conclusion and became more certain that we want to define the QMP/HMP/CLI
interfaces first (or quite early in the process)

As discussed I will provide an initial document as a discussion starter

So here is my current understanding with each piece of information on one line, 
so
that everybody can correct me or make additions:

current wrap-up of architecture support
-------------------
x86
- Topology possible
    - can be hierarchical
    - interfaces to query topology
- SMT: fanout in host, guest uses host threads to back guest vCPUS
- supports cpu hotplug via cpu_add

power
- Topology possible
    - interfaces to query topology?
- SMT: Power8: no threads in host and full core passed in due to HW design
        may change in the future

s/390
- Topology possible
     - can be hierarchical
     - interfaces to query topology
- always virtualized via PR/SM LPAR
     - host topology from LPAR can be heterogenous (e.g. 3 cpus in 1st socket, 
4 in 2nd)
- SMT: fanout in host, guest uses host threads to back guest vCPUS


Current downsides of CPU definitions/hotplug
-----------------------------------------------
- smp, sockets=,cores=,threads= builds only homogeneous topology
- cpu_add does not tell were to add
- artificial icc bus construct on x86 for several reasons (link, sysbus not 
hotpluggable..)


discussions
-------------------
- we want to be able to (most important question, IHMO)
  - hotplug CPUs on power/x86/s390 and maybe others
  - define topology information
  - bind the guest topology to the host topology in some way
     - to host nodes
     - maybe also for gang scheduling of threads (might face reluctance from
       the linux scheduler folks)
     - not really deeply outlined in this call
- QOM links must be allocated at boot time, but can be set later on
     - nothing that we want to expose to users
     - Machine provides QOM links that the device_add hotplug mechanism can use 
to add
       new CPUs into preallocated slots. "CPUs" can be groups of cores and/or 
threads.
- hotplug and initial config should use same semantics
- cpu and memory topology might be somewhat independent
--> - define nodes
     - map CPUs to nodes
     - map memory to nodes

- hotplug per
     - socket
     - core
     - thread
     ?
Now comes the part where I am not sure if we came to a conclusion or not:
- hotplug/definition per core (but not per thread) seems to handle all cases
     - core might have multiple threads ( and thus multiple cpustates)
     - as device statement (or object?)
- mapping of cpus to nodes or defining the topology not really
   outlined in this call

To be defined:
- QEMU command line for initial setup
- QEMU hmp/qmp interfaces for dynamic setup


Christian


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