Re: [Savannah-hackers] submission of Sistema de Gestion Administrativa para

[Jonathan Gonzalez V.]

maram <address@hidden> writes:

Hi Marcelo Ametller,

I translated your e-mail so all the Savannah Hackers can understand it.

<spanish>
Traduje tu e-mail para que todos los Hackers de Savannah pudieran entederlo.
</spanish>

> I'm sorry my late, but the bureaucracy bother me a bit... unjust too..

As I see you are very angry with me, I really sorry that you think
that we are bureaucracy , but that's not the idea. We want to teach
people how to use clean notices to avoid legal issues, which is what
professionals people do, I'm sorry if you didn't feel that.

> since I had see that other project hosted at savannah doesn't have
> everything of what was requested to me.. even had an 80% of code that
> doesn't fulfill the ruls...
>
> why it's the different?

Yes, we know that there's a lot of project that have some legal issue
to fix, and some rules to follow, but we are understaffed and we
have to answer a lot of support request per day, review one or two
projects per day and that's do not give us so much time to review all
the projects hosted at Savannah. The different is that we do not want
to still having projects with legal issues, so we are very careful in
our project review.

> it is compulsory use the english or what's really matter is the
> software licensed under gpl?
>
> or I have to wait to learn english to develop free software ?

When I saw that your project was submitted in spanish I decide to take
it, because spanish is my natural language and my idea was help you
with the submission, but yes, it is necessary to write in english
because is the only language that all the Savannah Hackers can
understand.

> could you recommend me some spanish site to host my project.. and not
> so burocratic.. 
>
> any way, thanks for your time

I can tell you one sites, http://www.software-libre.org, is your
decision if you take it or not.

As you want to change the site I deleted your project from the
'Pending projects' list. You can register it again if you want back to
Savannah. 

Regards,

<spanish answer>
> lamento mi demora... pero la burocracia me molesta un poco...
> la injusticia tambien...

Como puedo ver estas bastante enojado conmigo, realmente siento el que
tu pienses que somos burocraticos, pero esa no es la idea. Nosotros
queremos enseñarle a la gente como usar notificaciones limpias, que es
lo que la gente profesional hace, dislcupas si no sientes que sea asi.

> ya que he observado que otros proyectos hosteados en savannah no
> cumplen con todo lo que me solicitan a mi... incluso tienen un 80% de
> codigo que no cumple las reglas...
>
> porque la diferencia?

Si, sabemos que ahi unos pocos project que tiene algunos problemas
legales por arreglar, y otros reglas a seguir, pero estamos sin gente
y tenemos que responder varias peticiones de soporte por dia, revisar
uno o dos projectos por dia y eso no nos da mucho tiempo para revisar
todos los projectos hospedados en Savannah. La diferencia es que no
queremos serit teniendo proyectos con problemas legasl, por lo que
somos muy cuidadosos en nuestras revisiones.

> es obligatorio el uso del ingles o lo que importa verdaderamente es el
> software con liciencia gpl?
>
> ho tengo que esperar a aprender a escribir en ingles para desarrollar
> software libre?

Cuando vi que tu project fue enviado en español decidi tomarlo, porque
el español es mi lenguaje natural y mi idea era ayudarte con el envio,
pero si, es necesario escribir en ingles porque es el unico lenguaje
que todos los Hackers de Savannah pueden endenter.

> podria recomendarme algun sitio para hospedar un proyecto en
> español... y no tan burocratico...
>
> de todas formas, gracias por su tiempo...

Te puedo decir un sitio, http://www.software-libre.org, es tu decision
si lo tomas o no.

Como quieres cambiarte de sitio, borre tu project de la lista de
'Proyectos pendientes'. Puedes registrarlo nuevo si quieres volver a Savannah.

Saludos

</spanish answer>

> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:06:28 -0300, Jonathan Gonzalez V.
> <address@hidden> wrote:
>> maram <address@hidden> writes:
>> 
>> Hi Marcelo Ametller,
>> 
>> First at all apologize for the delay in my answer.
>> 
>> Please your next e-mail send it in English and not in Spanish so all
>> the Savannah-hackers can read it, I translated your last email the
>> best I could.
>> 
>> <english>
>> No, is not the only code (client-agrotest) it's just the main code. I
>> like to publish a newest version of the cimarron project, (part of
>> PAPO project, hosted in Savannah and I depend it) in other mail, I
>> send you a copy of it.
>> 
>> I send you a current copy of SIGAL, where I hope that I fixed
>> all. Although I checked other projects hosted in Savannah, and they
>> don't had all the solicited requests.
>> </english>
>> 
>> The source code that you send me had the (C) missing in some files and
>> other files had (c) instead (C), fix these issues.
>> 
>> Some other files had the Copyright and Notices License missing too,
>> fix this too.
>> 
>> If 'client-argotest' is not the only code that you will host under the
>> SIGAL project, can you send me the other code that you will host as
>> part of the SIGAL project? I wish to review that code too.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:20:04 -0300, Jonathan Gonzalez V.
>> > <address@hidden> wrote:
>> >> maram <address@hidden> writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:47:37 -0300, Jonathan Gonzalez V.
>> >> > <address@hidden> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Submitted Description: The project is a system of
>> >> >> > administrative management for laboratories of analisis of grains,
>> >> >> > water and ground in the Republica Argentina. The system tries to also
>> >> >> > make a pursuit of the received samples and the processes that 
>> >> >> > followed
>> >> >> > for their analisis, printing legal certificates demanded by the
>> >> >> > control beings. Is tried that the system helps to fulfill norms ISO
>> >> >> > for laboratories of this type. Also it incorporated in one second
>> >> >> > stage administrative and countable functions. At the moment the code
>> >> >> > of the project, is not available in the Web. The system was made with
>> >> >> > Python, Gtk2, Modeling, postgresql and project CIMARRON derived from
>> >> >> > project PAPO.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Required software: Python2.3, Gtk2, Modeling, Postgresql and Cimarron
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Marcelo Ametller:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You didn't send an URL to download the code, so can you send me the
>> >> >> latest version of Sigal, to my email (address@hidden), I wish
>> >> >> to review your source code, even if it is not functional, to catch
>> >> >> potential legal issues early.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For example, to release your program properly under the GPL you must
>> >> >> include a copyright notice and permission-to-copy statements at the
>> >> >> beginning of every file of source code.  This is explained in
>> >> >> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html.  Our review would help
>> >> >> catch potential omissions such as these but, you should consider to
>> >> >> check if you apply properly the GNU GPL license to your project.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The project should not have problems with the dependence, but you
>> >> >> include 'Modeling' as a dependence and I cannot find the homepage of
>> >> >> this project, can you send me an URL to get a copy of this software? I
>> >> >> wish to review the license of this dependence to know if it is a
>> >> >> GPL-Compatible.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> "Emacs the only editor which has its own church"
>> >> >
>> >> > attach last version of Sigal, (client agro-test)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi Marcelo Ametller:
>> >>
>> >> The source code that you sent me, had some Copyright License with the
>> >> (C) missing and there's many others files without Copyright and Notices
>> >> License. To fix this problems and learn more about the GNU GPL, read
>> >> this URL:
>> >>
>> >>     http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html
>> >>
>> >> To avoid any confusion with the Copyright and Notices License consider
>> >> to read these URLs too:
>> >>
>> >>   http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Copyright-Notices.html
>> >>   http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/License-Notices.html
>> >>
>> >> There's other files generated by 'MDL' that don't carry on a Copyright
>> >> and Notices License, if these files cannot be edited, consider to use
>> >> a file called 'MDL-files.LICENSE' with the Copyright and Notices
>> >> License for these files.
>> >>
>> >> You said something about the 'client agro-test'. It is this the only
>> >> source code that you host on Savannah or there's another tarball ?
>> >
>> > No, no es el unico codigo (client-agrotest) solo es el principal. Ya
>> > que me gustaria publicar tambien una version mas actual del proyecto
>> > cimarron, (parte del proyecto PAPO, hosteado en savannah y del cual
>> > dependo) en otro mail, le mande una copia del mismo.
>> >
>> > Le mando una copia actual de SIGAL, donde espero haber corregido lo
>> > indicado. Aunque he revisado otros proyectos ya hosteados en savannah,
>> > y no cumplen con todos los requisitos que me solicitan...
>> >
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> "Emacs the only editor which has its own church"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
> -- 
> Marcelo Ametller
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