[Savannah-help-public] Re: [sr #105214] GFDL policy

[Sylvain Beucler]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:19:13PM -0600, Karl Berry wrote:
>     I suggest "mass mailing". 
> 
> Of course.  But, as I said, I need the list of projects (if not admins).
> Can you send it to me?  I had the impression you already generated the
> list of problematic projects, since you gave rms numbers of projects in
> each problematic category.  In any case, I have no reasonable way to
> make the list from here on the "outside".
> 
> I have no problem doing the mailing and dealing with the inevitable
> replies.
> 
>     I'll update savannah.gnu.org/register/ as well as the FAQ right now.
> 
> Excellent, thanks.
> 
>     What is expected from you for this job, btw? Does RMS expect you to
>     supervise this? 
> 
> Yes.  He asked me to do what I can to keep things moving, and give a
> progress report every couple weeks.
> 
>     You were Cc:ed on this issue from the beginning but
>     I don't know really why :) Maybe you had an anterior conversation?
> 
> I can't remember if he wrote me first about this particular issue, but
> in general, I am basically his "assistant chief GNUisance" (as he's
> referred to me occasionally :) these days.  So he sometimes passes off
> such things to me.  I try to help him where I can with contacting GNU
> maintainers, looking at new projects, licensing stuff, etc.  Just as in
> the case at hand :).

Following is the list of admins, then my initial list of impacted
project with some explicit files.

I reread that last one and its associated thread and realized I owe
you an excuse: it was indeed decided not to bother the existing (few)
Savannah non-GNU project about using the GNU GPL for manuals. I
confused that and earlier discussion :/

Again, my "(GNU)" remarks in the 2nd list are indicative. I don't
think I checked their presence in gnuorg/maintainers and since I only
used my memory I surely missed some.


Feel free to ask for more information.

--Sylvain


old-style:
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a2ps: address@hidden
abcsh: address@hidden
acct: address@hidden
arc: address@hidden
archivesfind: address@hidden
astwar: address@hidden | address@hidden
auctex: address@hidden | address@hidden
avrdude: address@hidden | address@hidden
bashdb: 
biosconfig: address@hidden
catalog: address@hidden | address@hidden
checker: address@hidden | address@hidden
classpath: address@hidden | address@hidden
combine: address@hidden
conta: address@hidden
customize: address@hidden
cvs: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
dap: address@hidden
dejagnu: address@hidden
dld: address@hidden
dominion: address@hidden | address@hidden
dvipng: address@hidden
ed: address@hidden
elisp-code: address@hidden | address@hidden
elmo: 
ff3d: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
fhp: address@hidden
findutils: address@hidden
fontutils: address@hidden
freehoo: address@hidden | address@hidden
freeipmi: address@hidden
freesnell: address@hidden
freetalk: address@hidden | address@hidden
g-wrap: address@hidden | address@hidden
gcl: address@hidden
gengetopt: address@hidden
gettext: address@hidden
ggradebook: address@hidden
gluster: address@hidden | address@hidden
gnats: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
gnubik: address@hidden
gnustep: address@hidden
gossip: address@hidden
grub: address@hidden | address@hidden
gsl: address@hidden
guile: address@hidden
guile: address@hidden
guile-fftw: address@hidden
guile-gtk: address@hidden | address@hidden
gvpe: address@hidden
haplo: address@hidden
hardlink: address@hidden
heroes: address@hidden | address@hidden
hurd: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | 
address@hidden
hurdextras: address@hidden | address@hidden
idutils: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
inetutils: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
jacal: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
jwhois: address@hidden
latex-manual: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
lolix: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
lumi: address@hidden
m16c: address@hidden
macc: address@hidden
mcron: address@hidden
mifluz: address@hidden | address@hidden
mod-guile: address@hidden
motti: address@hidden
muddleftpd: address@hidden | address@hidden
nano: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
oleo: address@hidden
pandora: address@hidden
patchsource: address@hidden
radius: address@hidden
scm: address@hidden | address@hidden
screen: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
shishi: address@hidden
simulavr: address@hidden | address@hidden
slib: address@hidden | address@hidden
src-highlite: address@hidden
stellio: address@hidden
stow: address@hidden
stumpwm: address@hidden
synch: address@hidden | address@hidden
texi2html: address@hidden | address@hidden
tidydoc: address@hidden
tk707: address@hidden
vhdl-posix: address@hidden
wb: address@hidden | address@hidden
webbase: address@hidden
which: address@hidden
xboard: address@hidden
xlang: address@hidden
xlogmaster: address@hidden | address@hidden
yyt: address@hidden
zebra: address@hidden
---


missing / unclear:
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adsl-at: 
autogen: address@hidden | address@hidden
bnf: address@hidden
cpp-sh: 
dotgnu-pnet: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
edma: address@hidden
elgyach: address@hidden
enigma: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
flower: address@hidden
gnubg: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | 
address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | 
address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | 
address@hidden | address@hidden
gnutrueprint: address@hidden
guss: address@hidden
hopify: address@hidden
hydrant: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
lilypond: address@hidden | address@hidden
majorteach: address@hidden
nana: address@hidden
qemacs: address@hidden | address@hidden
qemu: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
ramemu: address@hidden
rottlog: address@hidden
solfege: address@hidden
tinycc: address@hidden
---


GNU GPL:
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alive: address@hidden
elisp-code: address@hidden | address@hidden
ghostscript: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
gv: address@hidden | address@hidden
hyperbole: address@hidden
jxminor: address@hidden
openap: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
sather: address@hidden
texi2latex: address@hidden
tk707: address@hidden
voc-get: address@hidden
xwem: address@hidden | address@hidden | address@hidden
---



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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:57:34 +0100
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On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 06:01:47PM -0500, Richard M. Stallman wrote:
>     As I previously pointed, we cannot know which license people use for
>     their documentation, on average.
> 
> It should not be hard to do a find/grep to look for certain license
> notices in files named *.texi in all the projects.
> Would you please give that a try?

After using various heuristics to reduce to the number of files to a
few hundreds, it appears we have a large part of old-style GNU manual
licenses, few GNU GPL, and also unclear or missing notices - with a
non-negligeable amount of GNU projects concerned.


There's around 4000 texinfo files, with around 700 containing "Free
Documentation License, Version X"

Lots of files are part of a manual and do not carry explicit notices
(I ended up filtering "\input texinfo" to get the main files)

Some manuals come under all-permissive licenses.


The rest of the manuals should be next:

old-style GNU manual license / simple copyleft:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~100

a2ps
abcsh
acct
arc
archivesfind
astwar
auctex (GNU)
avrdude
bashdb
biosconfig
catalog
checker
classpath
combine
conta
customize
cvs
dap
dejagnu
dld
dominion
dvipng
ed
elisp-code
elmo
ff3d
fhp
findutils
fontutils
freehoo
freeipmi
freesnell
freetalk
g-wrap
gcl
gengetopt
gettext
ggradebook
gluster
gnats
gnubik
gnustep
gossip
grub
gsl
guile
guile
guile-fftw
guile-gtk
gvpe
haplo
hardlink
heroes
hurd
hurdextras
idutils
inetutils
jacal
jwhois
latex-manual
lolix
lumi
m16c
macc
mcron
mifluz
mod-guile
motti
muddleftpd
nano
oleo
pandora
patchsource
radius
scm
screen
shishi
simulavr
slib
src-highlite
stellio
stow
stumpwm
synch
texi2html
tidydoc
tk707
vhdl-posix
wb
webbase
which
xboard
xlang
xlogmaster
yyt
zebra


missing / unclear:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

adsl-at
autogen (GNU) - also contains snprintfv which _was_ under old-style GNU
bnf
cpp-sh
dotgnu-pnet
edma
elgyach
enigma
flower/flower/texi/flower.texi (mentions both GPL/FDL unclearly)
gnubg/gnubg/lib/event.texi
gnutrueprint
guss/guss/bfd/doc/bfdint.texi
hopify
hydrant/hydrant/doc/hacking.texi
lilypond (lots of files w/o notices)
majorteach
nana (incomplete old-style GNU)
qemacs
qemu/qemu/qemu-tech.texi
ramemu/ramemu/doc/ramemu.texinfo
rottlog
solfege
tinycc


GNU GPL:
~~~~~~~~

alive
elisp-code/elisp-code/sml-mode/sml-mode.texi
ghostscript/ghostscript/doc/ghostscript.texi (GNU)
gv/gv/doc/gv.texi (GNU)
hyperbole/hyperbole/man/hyperbole.texi (GNU)
jxminor/jxminor/jxminor.texinfo
openap/uclibc/ldso/man/ld.so.texi
sather (GNU)
texi2latex/texi2latex/info/texi2latex.texi
tk707/tk707/INSTALL.texi
voc-get/voc-get/texinfo/voc-get.texinfo
xwem/xwem/doc/xlib/


Don't ask that to me ever again :)