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Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal
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Ralf Hemmecke |
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Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal |
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Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:21:39 +0200 |
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I wait for Gaby to submit a patch. I think that will be the better
road than simply switch to wh-sandbox and make some people angry.
We should stay together as a community. Please.
I totally agree. All I hope for is that the patch is documented and
is in keeping with the clearly stated goals of the project.
It would be super good if the patch is properly documented, but that is
*not* my priority. Gaby is certainly willing to improve his autoconf
work with documentation when it is in trunk. How come that people seem
to think that Gaby is not committed to LP?
I want to be able to understand such a patch in detail, without
having to second guess the authors intent.
Do you know that we have a mailing list where you could simply ask?
The answer then should be used to improve the documentation. But see,
for me it would be much worse to lose Gaby than to have a little
imperfect documentation in trunk. We even have more imperfection all around.
Don't you see that probably all current developers are LP believers?
It is just a question how to arrive at an Axiom that is fully in an LP
style. Some people think that we must from now on do everything in
proper LP style. And some people rather like to work for a while in the
usual programming paradigm and postpone proper documenation until we
have autoconf, hyperdoc, windows port running. *Nobody* says that he
will not eventually document in LP style.
I agree that it would be best that documentation gets done while the
development happens, but that is *not* the main pressing part. It is
much more important to make more people aware of Axiom and attract more
developers. If we have 100 developer, then I totally agree that no patch
should be admitted to trunk if it is not fully documented in a way Tim
would like it. But until then let's just be a bit more relaxed.
With a handfull of developers we will *never* be able to document all
the legacy algebra code. There is simply not enough time. Let's attract
developers first and let's preach them some LP so that they know what
will be the vision of Axiom.
Note, that is not a compromise to Tim's vision of having everything
properly documented so that people can understand it. But what is the
use of documentation where only 10 people in the world are willing to
read it? Axiom will die without developers.
Look at Aldor. That's a super language, but all the other languages just
take over the ideas of Aldor and Aldor will lose no matter how advanced
it is. Without developers Aldor is dead. And with 10 developers also
Axiom is dead.
I believe we all have to agree that there exists a common goal. I
dont think there is a fast path to an amicable result. I have enough
people telling me that they want something done yesterday. Axiom, I
hope, is an oasis from such expectations.
Of course there is no real time pressure. I press, because I want to see
a well documented, well running Axiom during my lifetime. Only that
presses to ask for more developers.
Ralf
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, (continued)
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Stephen Wilson, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, C Y, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Bill Page, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Stephen Wilson, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, C Y, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Stephen Wilson, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Bill Page, 2007/06/30
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Stephen Wilson, 2007/06/30
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Ralf Hemmecke, 2007/06/30
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Stephen Wilson, 2007/06/30
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal,
Ralf Hemmecke <=
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Stephen Wilson, 2007/06/30
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, C Y, 2007/06/30
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, C Y, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Ralf Hemmecke, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal, Stephen Wilson, 2007/06/29
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal (PLEQN documentation), William Sit, 2007/06/30
- Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: A modest proposal (PLEQN documentation), Ralf Hemmecke, 2007/06/30
[Axiom-developer] A modest proposal, daly, 2007/06/28
[Axiom-developer] A modest proposal, daly, 2007/06/28