Re: built-in functions are missed in non-awk namespaces

[Denis Shirokov]

Arnold:
You can even write a library file of such and simply @include it
where needed.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. But you can't redirect access to arrays
and variables by this way. In any case, it's not that big of a problem as I
see it now. Actually, there are very few references to awk-awk namespace.

however the namespace feature is a good thing. now i see it. when using
namespace libraries become truly independent. The interesting thing is that
at the moment, I have some libraries working in both modes. The old part -
that works only in the awk namespace. And simultaneously, the updated
version of the same library that is working using namespace feature. and
the new libraries internally looks great !

it's Fun) A good thing.

вт, 30 июл. 2024 г. в 18:41, Denis Shirokov <cosmogen@gmail.com>:

>
>
>
>    "Outside the awk namespace, the names of the additional gawk built-in
>> functions (such as gensub() or strftime()) may be used as component names.
>> The same set of names may be used as namespace names, although this has the
>> potential to be confusing."
>>
>> This is more than I can handle. Are you serious? You're afraid of a
>> conflict with the functions and() or or()!?
>>
>> These are basic built-in functions that have been part of the language
>> for a very long time, and you're worried that someone will declare a
>> function and() differently than it's described in AWK?
>>
>> This is just ridiculous. I'm serious. And funny. I just can't believe it.
>> Over the years of using this language, I've gotten used to all sorts of
>> things and seen strange decisions, some of which I came to appreciate long
>> after they appeared—I admit. But this?
>>
>> I just don't know what to say about this. It's a VERY strange decision :)
>>
>> I can explain why I'm so surprised. The thing is, namespace capabilities
>> appeared relatively recently. If I'm not mistaken, they came with gawk 5+.
>> So how can name conflicts arise if we're not talking about compatibility
>> with some old code that users might start running on gawk 5+?
>>
>> Old code will run in the main namespace as it should, and if we're
>> talking about new code that users wrote after the appearance of
>> namespaces—how would it even occur to them to name some functions with
>> names that have long been part of the language? What reason could there be
>> to allow users to declare such functions in a separate namespace?
>>
>> Why is patsplit worse than split?
>>
>> Because the patsplit appeared later than split? But it appeared earlier
>> than namespace capabilities—just like Typeof(). Then why don't I understand?
>> thanx
>> Denis
>>
>>
>>
>> пн, 29 июл. 2024 г. в 19:08, Andrew J. Schorr <
>> aschorr@telemetry-investments.com>:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 11:49:16AM -0400, Andrew J. Schorr wrote:
>>> > I can't readily find a list of such functions in the manual, but I
>>> think this
>>> > hack may work:
>>>
>>> Oops, I do now see a list here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/POSIX_002fGNU.html#:~:text=Additional%20functions%20only,awk%20Programs
>>> )
>>>
>>> But I fear it's missing a few.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>