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Re: Hurd on Scheme/guile
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pancake |
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Re: Hurd on Scheme/guile |
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Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:00:23 +0100 |
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On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 08:52:08PM -0300, Leonardo Lopes Pereira wrote:
> After that movement to revive/improve GNU Mach, I decided to think in a
> way to improve Hurd. After some talks on IRC I thought that a good start
> point would be the use of a new programming language to the detriment of C,
> something that turn translator code clear and that is powerful.
> I think that nothing better than lisp to fill those requirements.
> Looking for GNU projects to implement LISP, I decide that the modularity and
> the small size of Guile would simplify and turn that new Hurd implementation
> even better.
The GNU manifest talks about this. It's like a prophecy. :P
We discussed this in the Bee project, resulting the creation of the "stut". (a
sotware packaging manager that frontends stow and manages binary pkgsrc
packages).
> I do not want to describe everything on this mail, so if you have a
> question, a sugestion or a criticism, fell free to send a answer ;)
>
Jemarch does that some time ago, AFAIK he started implementing a trivfs wrapper
for the GNU/Guile.
BTW, in Bee we're planning to use guile for the base system to use DMD and Stut.
> The first point that I wanna expose is that the goal of this project is
> not only complement the current translator interface, but create a new
> interface that turns possible a complete rewrite of Hurd on Scheme.
Stut will use the unionfs and it's planned to also use the trivfs for package
query "virtualization".
> So It cannot be done only creating bindings of hurd libraries, it
> requests the creation of a new framework to create translators. Only that way
> we will be able to have a simply and powerful framework.
> To minimize the efects of the lost of performance caused by the use of
> an interpreter, we will need to use guile-lightning (based on GNU lightning),
> making the translator be compiled at runtime, so, the lost of performance
> will be concentrated on the time of turning the translator up.
>
This makes a weighter process and a hard bootup. It depends on the translator
task.
> *A small roadmap
> - Turn possible the creation of Mach Interfaces in Scheme
> - Create a MiG that generates Guile code instead of C.
Would be better to fix the actual MiG. He needs more love.
> - Create a trivfs module
This is partially done.
> - Discuss how others modules would be and improve trivfs module
This would be a nice task. Scheme is a nice language and the GNU system needs
something good like this :)
> - Rewrite hurd ;)
>
> Thanks AMS for some explanations
> That's all.
>
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