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Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages
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Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages |
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Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:58:14 -0300 |
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I think the problem is thinking about Linux as an OS, it is just a kernel. If
we considered RedHat as different to Debian, as FreeBSD is to Plan 9, then
we'd be delighted of how compatible they are and how easy it is to port from
one to the other.
The same thing happens with Schemes, one could argue that the Scheme comunity
is very fragmented because a program for Chicken Scheme takes a lot to work
to run in Scheme 48, yet, if you consider Chicken Scheme as different to
Scheme 48 as Perl and PHP are, then it is quite good that rewriting a program
in Chicken Scheme when it was written in Scheme 48 doesn't take a huge
effort.
What we could argue is that the free software comunity is very disperse and
indeed it is, but that is because it is a comunity... every comunity is
disperse... you have people using Debian, others using FreeBSD, others using
Ubuntu, others using OpenBSD, all different OS... you have people using C,
others C++, many use Python and there are a bunch of freaks using that
language with lots of parethesis. But arguing about it doesn't get us
anywhere because it won't change it. Each part of the comunity is totally
independent and chooses to go in a different direction. One could try to
unite parts of the comunity and indeed, for example, Ubuntu united a big part
of the desktop comunity.
I believe that this is a disavantage, but also an advantage because it helps
the comunity survive. In your particular case, if someone distributes some
program only as RPM, then they are making a big mistake by supporting only
one distribution. You should ask them to also distribute a tar.gz or tar.bz2
with the sources that can be compiled more or less anywhere. Submit bugs when
you can't compile it in your platform and submit bugs about packaging to your
OS provider (be it Debian, Ubuntu, RedHat or Suse). It actually works very
well. I have submitted lots of these bugs and I've got lot's of packages
included in different distros. Obviously it helps if you provide an initial
package to work with.
On Monday January 15 2007 04:04, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
> Harri Haataja wrote:
> > On 12/01/07, Peter Busser <address@hidden> wrote:
> >> Integrating these packages in Debian means that only Debian users
> >> benefit from this effort. My idea is to support as many distributions as
> >> possible, not only Debian. That way this effort benefits users of
> >> Adamantix,
> >> Ubuntu, Progeny, Knoppix, etc., etc. as well, not just users of
> >> Debian. And
> >> it has the following advantages for Chicken users:
> >
> > But sadly many of those may have a completely different (and possibly
> > ancient) version in themselves that the installer and possibly the
> > packager has to work around or clash with.
>
> The fragmentation in the Linux world is ridiculous. I'm on my 4th OS
> installation attempt in 3 weeks, trying to get either dual boot or
> triple boot systems going, because of RedHat vs. Debian issues. All the
> Cell SDK stuff is RPM based, and it hadn't dawned on me that I simply
> couldn't use Debian. Not unless I wanted to rebuild all the packages
> from scratch, which probably wouldn't work, and would be very time
> consuming even if it did. So to get the various Linuxes to play ok with
> each other, I'm becoming far more of a boot and partition expert than I
> ever wanted to be.
>
> I hope CMake / CPack starts performing some miracles sometime, because
> otherwise, I couldn't possibly take Linux packaging seriously. It's way
> too much of a mess.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Brandon Van Every
>
>
>
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- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, (continued)
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Peter Busser, 2007/01/06
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Harri Haataja, 2007/01/11
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Peter Busser, 2007/01/12
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Harri Haataja, 2007/01/14
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Peter Busser, 2007/01/14
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Harri Haataja, 2007/01/14
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Peter Busser, 2007/01/14
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Brandon J. Van Every, 2007/01/15
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Harri Haataja, 2007/01/15
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Brandon J. Van Every, 2007/01/15
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages,
Pupeno <=
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Brandon J. Van Every, 2007/01/06
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Peter Bex, 2007/01/07
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, Brandon J. Van Every, 2007/01/07
- Re: [Chicken-users] RedHat and Debian packages, John Cowan, 2007/01/08
Re: [Chicken-users] bugtracking and open source labor, felix winkelmann, 2007/01/05