Re: Possible ls locale bug

[gnu . 3bp3s]

Ah okay, thank you for linking the previous discussions, it's a lot clearer why 
the date is in the wrong order for the current locale now.

Regards,
Bjorn


On Tuesday, January 16th, 2024 at 13:32, Pádraig Brady - P at draigbrady.com 
<p_at_draigbrady_com_bcrnatxaoz@simplelogin.co> wrote:


> 
> 
> On 15/01/2024 20:42, gnu.3bp3s--- via GNU coreutils General Discussion wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > My locale is en_IE.UTF-8, so when I run the date command, the output at 
> > time of writing is "Mon 15 Jan 2024 20:39:04 GMT"
> > 
> > Maybe I'm mistaken, but with that in mind I'd expect the following scenario:
> > With time locale en_IE.UTF-8 the --time-style=locale within the past year 
> > should be equivalent to --time-style"+%e %b %R". And older than a year 
> > would be equivalent to --time-style"+%e %b %Y".
> > 
> > However, this is what I get with following command
> > $ ls -l --time-style=locale
> > total 12
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 bjorn bjorn 4096 Aug 23 2022 dir1
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 bjorn bjorn 4096 Dec 30 17:44 dir2
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 bjorn bjorn 4096 Jan 15 19:25 dir3
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 bjorn bjorn 0 Nov 7 2022 file1
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 bjorn bjorn 0 Dec 18 12:16 file2
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 bjorn bjorn 0 Jan 15 19:25 file3
> > 
> > As you can see, even though I specify using my current locale, it outputs 
> > date as Month before Day.
> > 
> > Is this a locale bug within ls?
> > 
> > Regards,Bjorn N
> 
> 
> Well it's not a bug, but it is a bit confusing.
> The system locale doesn't define a time/date format that's directly usable by 
> ls.
> Consider possibilities from the locale for Ireland:
> 
> $ LC_TIME=en_IE.UTF-8 locale -kc LC_TIME | grep 'd.*fmt'
> d_t_fmt="%a %d %b %Y %T"
> d_fmt="%d/%m/%y"
> era_d_fmt=""
> era_d_t_fmt=""
> date_fmt="%a %d %b %Y %T %Z"
> 
> Instead ls uses more granular formats,
> with the "locale" option being taken from the translations provided for your 
> locale.
> Since there are generally no English translations provided with coreutils,
> --time-style=locale will use the default.
> All French locales on the other hand will use a different format, i.e.:
> 
> $ LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.UTF-8 gettext -d coreutils '%b %e %Y'
> %e %b %Y
> 
> For related older discussions on this see the thread at:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2009-09/msg00388.html
> 
> cheers,
> Pádraig