Re: [Denemo-devel] trouble creating parts

[Donald J. Stewart]

First of all, I may be 'drawing parts' incorrectly. I see that in the editor 
itself (not Denemo Print View), there is

Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts

or

Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts (Treble First)

OR in Denemo Print View, there is a 'Part' button.

In Denemo Print View, when I click the Part button (and my cursor in the 
Denemo editor is on the corresponding staff), Denemo Print View 
displays the part.

It is at this point that I don't know how to 'edit' the newly created part in 
the Denemo editor. I can create a PDF, but when I 'Typeset' the score, 
nothing seems to happen.

Conversely, if I go into 

Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts, it creates a number of new staves in 
my score, but no part. I'm not even quite sure what it's doing. Here, I'm 
almost positive that I'm doing something wrong.

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:41:23 AM PST Richard Shann wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 21:49 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:30:07 PM PST Richard Shann 
wrote:
> > > Sorry! There *is* a serious-looking error in the file as you originally
> > > posted it; near the top there is:
> > > 
> > > #(define denemo-top-margin ...for they shall...)
> > > 
> > > where the red-highlighting starts.
> > > 
> > > it seems that in setting the top margin you inserted the text "... for
> > > they shall ..." instead of a number (such as 20). I deleted this and
> > > then ran typeset and got the sort of warning messages I wrote 
about
> > > below (they refer to another copy of your file that I extracted by
> > > tortuous means earlier...)
> > > 
> > > It would be good for those margin setting commands to test out 
the
> > > syntax for validity before letting you insert things like that, I've put
> > > a bug report in for this.
> > > 
> > > You would normally expect to be able to fix this by re-running the
> > > margin command, but in this case the bad value persists. To fix 
your
> > > score open up Score->Score Properties Editor and delete the 
TopMargin
> > > directive. There is a second TopMargin directive, which is (I guess) 
the
> > > one where you re-edited the top margin.
> > 
> > This worked. But what if I need to edit the new part?
> 
> which part is "the new part", and what could stop you editing a part?
> 
> >  For example, I think
> > 
> > because I chose to 'hide empty measures',
> 
> which command are you referring to here? (The best way to be exact in
> describing a command is to look it up in the Command Center (e.g. via
> right-clickon the menu item->Open Command Center on this 
Command) and
> then copy and paste the description panel.
> 
> >  a number of measures don't
> > 
> > show up.
> 
> "show up" in the Denemo Display or the Print View?
> 
> > Is this normal behavior? Or is there something I have done 
incorrectly?
> 
> I'm struggling to understand the problem - perhaps a screenshot of 
what
> you have and a description of what you are trying to do? Or create a
> tiny example of what you find to be problematic?
> 
> Richard
> 
> > > Let me know when if you have a problem deleting this bad directive.
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 11:53 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 10:14 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 09:46 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 01:11 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > > > > > I've attached the file.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > you have to compress the file before attaching it to the email.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've used the list-moderator interface to allow this email through
> > > > > so
> > > > > there should be no need to re-send it compressed on this 
occasion.
> > > > 
> > > > The file has now arrived on the mailing list.
> > > > I've tested out the .denemo file attached to it.
> > 
> > > > The full score typesets with error messages in the LilyPond 
window:
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > ====== Typesetting ...Done/tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/
denemoprintB.ly:
> > 685:346:
> > > > warning: unterminated hyphen; removing
> > > > Bless -- ed __ are __ the poor __ in spi -- rit... Bless -- ed __ are
> > > > __
> > > > the meek... __ Bless -- ed __ are they __ that mourn... Bless -- ed
> > > > are
> > > > they __ that hun -- ger and thirst __ af -- ter jus -- tice..=2E __
> > > > Bless -- ed, __ bless -- ed are __ the mer -- ci -- ful... __ Bless --
> > > > ed __ are __ the __ peace -- mak -- ers, __ the peace -- mak
> > > > 
> > > > -- ers. __  jus -- tice... __  __ af -- __ Bless-
> > 
> > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:1081:21: warning:
> > unterminated
> > 
> > > > decrescendo
> > > > 
> > > >          f-\fermata
> > > >          
> > > >                     \decr \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > > > 
> > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:81:79: warning:
> > decrescendo too small
> > 
> > > >          f'' f'' \cr g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g''<>  \ff
> > > > 
> > > > bes''4:32
> > > > 
> > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarline
> > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:690:23: warning: cannot
> > 
> > resolve rest
> > 
> > > > collision: rest direction not set
> > > > 
> > > >          \tempo 4=84
> > > >          
> > > >                       r1\AutoBarline
> > > >        
> > > >        ...
> > 
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > ======
> > > > 
> > > > The first message is about your lyrics - I'm not an expert on 
LilyPond
> > > > lyric syntax - you have doubled hyphens and doubled underscores 
-
> > 
> > should
> > 
> > > > these be doubled? Should not the hyphens be attached to the
> > 
> > previous
> > 
> > > > syllable (i.e. no space)?
> > > > 
> > > > The second message says you have a decr start with no decr end
> > 
> > later.
> > 
> > > > The last message is for part writing, where you have more than 
one
> > 
> > rest
> > 
> > > > at one moment and have not specified which voice they are in, or 
if
> > 
> > they
> > 
> > > > are to be combined (see Staffs/Voices->Voices menu).
> > > > 
> > > > However, these are all just Warning messages, and so you *do* 
get a
> > > > typeset score.
> > > > 
> > > > Putting the cursor in the top staff in the Denemo Display and 
clicking
> > > > Part in the Print View also typesets with warning, attached is the 
PDF
> > > > created by clicking the PDF button. The LilyPond window shows 
the
> > 
> > > > following warnings in the lower pane in this case:
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > ====== Typesetting ...Done/tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/
denemoprintA.ly:
> > 36:50:
> > > > warning: crescendo too small
> > > > 
> > > >          g'?2.-\tenuto \decr<>  \p d'4\glissando
> > > >          
> > > >                                                  \cr( \!\AutoBarline
> > > > 
> > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:81:79: warning:
> > decrescendo too small
> > 
> > > >          f'' f'' \cr g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g''<>  \ff
> > > > 
> > > > bes''4:32
> > > > 
> > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarline
> > 
> > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:163:77: warning:
> > decrescendo too
> > 
> > > > small
> > > > 
> > > >          bes'4-\tenuto<>  \f a'4-\tenuto aes'4-\tenuto<>  \mf
> > > > 
> > > > ges'4-\tenuto
> > > > 
> > > > \decr\AutoBarline
> > 
> > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:189:139: warning:
> > decrescendo too
> > 
> > > > small
> > > > 
> > > >         <>  \f<> ^\markup \italic {"con sord." } cis''16 \cr dis'' e''
> > > > 
> > > > fis'' cis'' dis'' e'' fis'' cis'' dis'' e'' fis''<>  \ff gis''4:32
> > > > 
> > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarli...
> > 
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > ======
> > > > 
> > > > the cursor does indeed move to the first of these warnings at 
Staff 1,
> > > > bar 15 on the last note. And indeed the crescendo between the 
d'4
> > 
> > (which
> > 
> > > > is a d 1/4) note and the following  ees''8 (an e-flat 1/8th) note is
> > > > rendered as a squashed up line. LilyPond is not clever enough to 
fix
> > > > this for you by giving extra space.
> > > > Searching in the View->Command Center for "cres" I came to
> > > > 
> > > > Command: Lengthen Hairpin
> > > > Inserts a directive to lengthen the following cresc or dim hairpin.
> > > > Location: ObjectMenu->NotesRests->Markings->Dynamics
> > > > Internal Name: LengthenHairpin
> > > > 
> > > > which may help in this situation.
> > > > 
> > > > I also put the cursor in the Soprano staff and clicked Part in the
> > > > Print
> > > > View - this typeset without warning messages - as it involves those 
__
> > > > and -- in the lyrics I guess they are all right - the "warning:
> > > > unterminated hyphen; removing" message above must refer to 
some
> > 
> > other
> > 
> > > > verse.
> > > > 
> > > > HTH
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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