Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality control)

[Rogelio M . Serrano Jr .]

On 2003-10-23 18:57:48 +0800 Chris Beaham <development@pcs-ag.com> wrote:

> On Donnerstag, Oktober 23, 2003, at 01:01  Uhr, Philip Mötteli wrote:
> 
>> Am Mittwoch, 22.10.03, um 22:30 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Alex Perez:
>>>>>> 2. Many programs do not use AppKit. E. g. servers and Web-programs.
>>>>> I know, there is a shortage of GNUstep apps, but you gotta admit that
>>>>> a LOT of progress has been made this year!
>>>> 
>>>> The hugest prograss is having WOF: GDL2 and GSWeb.
>> 
>>> As a GNUstep *USER* I don't give a *damn* about GDL and GSWeb. I'm sure
>>> they're nice and all, and I know what they do, but they are useless to me,
>>> as they are to all end users. I urge you to try and not be so one-sided in
>>> your view of what is valuable in GNUstep.
>> 
>> In your eyes, what is this thread all about?
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>> I give you my opinion, of what I thought this thread is about (I should 
>> know, because I started it together with the other Phil, who was frustrated 
>> about seeing GS still living in the shadow):
>> It's about on what I would propose to invest our time in order to bring GS 
>> out of its life in the shadow.
>>  From that point of view I said that things like completing the libraries 
>> (on all platforms) then completing GDL2 and GSW would help much more, than 
>> investing time into desktops, window-managers or distributions. Now! Later 
>> we should attack these.
>> 
> 
> Good morning All
> 
> How did NeXT survive after abandoning it's hardware???  It leveraged it's EOF 
> (previously DBkit) technology in OPENSTEP ENTERPRISE.  And when that wasn't 
> enough they developed WebObjects, again based on EOF.  IMHO, without EOF NeXT 
> would have been dead long before the OpenStep Specification was created, and 
> then there wouldn't have been any GNUstep or possibly any Cocoa.  Would Sun 
> have been interested in NeXT without EOF?  I seriously doubt it.  They saw a 
> great enterprise solution that also has a great desktop and not the other way 
> around.  NeXT patented parts of EOF for a reason, one being that know one 
> else had (has) this technology.  Once again, they were ahead of their time.
> 
> I continually see discussions about desktop solutions and applications in 
> this mailing list, but is anyone interested in the Enterprise and the bigger 
> picture?
> 
> IMHO, this situation is similar to that with Sun's Java.  Java technology and 
> not Java applications, is the only thing keeping Sun alive these days, as EOF 
> kept NeXT alive back then.  This indicates to me that the technology needs to 
> come first because it sustains life and allows it to evolve (if done right!). 
>   Better and more powerful applications will be made possible if more time is 
> spent in the frameworks and libraries.  IMHO, this fact should also interest 
> the End-User.
> 
> Just my 2 cents
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> 
>>>   You might like what you find if
>>> you do so.
>> 
>> Would you still make this statement, now, that you know what this thread is 
>> about? Then please explain.
>> 
>> 
>> Re
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>> 

All these applications and libraries matter. GSWeb and GDL2 matters. Whats 
important is to get it all together and see whats lacking or whats redundant. 

I intend to do that now. Im going to hack up whats lacking from existing 
software and take out what i think is redudndant .

I believe that linux can make a bigger presence on the desktop with gnustep.