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Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7
From: |
Juri Linkov |
Subject: |
Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 |
Date: |
Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:55:07 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.90 (gnu/linux) |
> Why does it matter whether it was IBM, Apple or M$ who invented the
> C-z C-x C-c C-v shortcuts (and thus broke compatibility with Emacs)?
>
> someone else said it was unfair to attribute these to Microsoft, since
> others actually designed the interface.
I certainly remember reading IBM CUA Guidelines a decade ago
there were no such keys as C-x C-c C-v defined. So it is unfair to
blame CUA designers for defining these stupid keys. On the contrary,
they did a good job by defining neutral keys: S-DEL for cut, C-INS for
Copy, and S-INS for Paste. I can't track down who first introduced
C-x C-c C-v. Quite likely it was Microsoft trying to mimic Apple's
special keys Command-x Command-c Command-v at the time when the Windows
key was not yet duplicated from Apple's Command key.
> No matter what we think or feel, or whether history is on our side,
> most "modern" applications use these bindings -- including GNOME, KDE
> and Firefox, so today it is Emacs which is "incompatible" with "common
> practice".
>
> That is why it is important to note that Emacs and its command set
> came first.
This is especially important for Emacs newbies whose first question about
Emacs nowadays is how to change C-x C-c C-v keys to cut, copy and paste.
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, (continued)
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Michael Welsh Duggan, 2007/01/03
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, David Kastrup, 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Kim F. Storm, 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, David Kastrup, 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Jan Djärv, 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Kim F. Storm, 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Lennart Borgman (gmail), 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Richard Stallman, 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Kim F. Storm, 2007/01/05
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Richard Stallman, 2007/01/05
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7,
Juri Linkov <=
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Kim F. Storm, 2007/01/07
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Stefan Monnier, 2007/01/07
- RE: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Drew Adams, 2007/01/07
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Kim F. Storm, 2007/01/08
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, David Kastrup, 2007/01/08
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Kim F. Storm, 2007/01/08
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Richard Stallman, 2007/01/08
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Richard Stallman, 2007/01/04
- Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Jason Rumney, 2007/01/04
Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7, Richard Stallman, 2007/01/03