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Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?
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Emanuel Berg |
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Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? |
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Fri, 03 Nov 2023 21:32:15 +0100 |
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Bob Rogers wrote:
>> So let's hear it then, what is it that sets Emacs 18 Elisp
>> apart from Emacs 30 Elisp . . .
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> Briefly, it's now a much larger language . . .
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>> and how is the Emacs 30 Elisp less coherent than the Emacs
>> 18 Elisp?
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> . . . and the additions have come from diverse sources.
> It started as a Maclisp subset with extensions to support
> editing. The issue is that the programming features have
> grown, and not only from Common Lisp, moving it away from
> its Maclisp roots. (This, I believe, is the gist of
> Richard's complaint.) And the language editing features have
> (not surprisingly) grown with Emacs' growth as an editor, as
> they have had to do, which has unavoidably added to the
> learning curve you have to climb before you can contribute
> to Emacs. It has also made the language more about editing
> and less about programming, which IMHO makes the style
> question less acute.
I understand that it has expanded in size, this is the nature
of technology systems in general and perhaps even more so with
Lisp programming, since it is so easy and fun to do.
But I am still uncertain how this has changed the style and
reduced the coherence of Elisp.
Case in point, I don't see any such difference when I look at
cl-lib.el?
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- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Richard Stallman, 2023/11/01
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- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Philip Kaludercic, 2023/11/02
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/11/02
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Philip Kaludercic, 2023/11/02
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Bob Rogers, 2023/11/02
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Emanuel Berg, 2023/11/03
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Bob Rogers, 2023/11/03
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?,
Emanuel Berg <=
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Bob Rogers, 2023/11/03
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Emanuel Berg, 2023/11/04
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Stephen Berman, 2023/11/04
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Emanuel Berg, 2023/11/05
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Richard Stallman, 2023/11/07
- Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?, Emanuel Berg, 2023/11/08
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