Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?

[T.V Raman]

Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> writes:


One more fan of cl, and cl-libs is a good solution and a nice compromise
 between having the expressiveness of cl, without loading all of cl at
 runtime.

Creating and migrating to cl-libs was a large effort:

A. For the creators of cl-libs who carefully did the refactoring,
   and for
   B: Package authors who paid attention to the "cl used at runtime "
   warning to properly namespace-qualify cl calls,  and remove  (require
   'cl) 


So I dont quite understand the apparent desire to negate all of that work?
   
>
>> I like cl-lib (it could be optimized better still, but it's good for
>> certain uses), and this discussion doesn't look like it will reach any
>> constructive conclusion, so it didn't seem worth it to spend time on
>> it.
>
> I also find it a bit exaggerating: cl-lib is large, but the majority of
> its uses in Emacs are from a small subset.  In cases where it's
> objectively beneficial, using its stuff can make the code actually
> better readable.  But everybody should, as always, just select the
> simplest tools when coding.  Please let's avoid a discussion about what
> different opinions about readability and simplicity we have.
>
> But of course: when we continue to migrate the most useful stuff in
> cl-lib out to other libraries (like we did with generic functions,
> generalized variables, sequence functions, ...), answering this question
> might become harder in the future.
>
> Michael.
>
>

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