Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hello, João

On Wed, Nov 08, 2023 at 21:10:00 +0000, João Távora wrote:
>    On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 20:20 Dmitry Gutov <[1]dmitry@gutov.dev> wrote:

>      On 08/11/2023 19:18, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>      > Throughout this long discussion, this indiscriminate use of
>>      > cl-lib has been supported only by occasional contributers.Â
>>      > Those who actually maintain other people's code, apart from (I
>>      > think) Eli, Richard and myself, have been conspicuously
>>      > silent.

>>      I like cl-lib (it could be optimized better still, but it's good
>>      for certain uses), and this discussion doesn't look like it will
>>      reach any constructive conclusion, so it didn't seem worth it to
>>      spend time on it.

>    If it needed any confirmation, I too like cl-lib and I too help
>    maintain other people's code in the Emacs core tree as well as
>    maintaining a number of libraries I have authored.

There's a difference between liking cl-lib and advocating its
indiscriminate use.  I don't think you've done the latter in this (and
related) threads.

Nobody who likes cl-lib has yet addressed the point made by Richard and
(less eloquently) by me, namely that the incorporation and use of cl-lib
swells the size and complexity of Emacs Lisp to the point of making
maintenance difficult.  What is your view on this important point?

>    I read many styles of Elisp here and am not really phased by any
>    particular programming technique being discussed here (cl-lib, seq,
>    pcase, verbose while loops with catch/throw, etc etc).  João

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