Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?

[João Távora]

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:38 AM Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > No, but you do, in actual source code!  That was my point!  You
> > have these fine abstractions to common operations like intersecting
> > sets, finding indices, and so much more, and you prefer to handroll
> > your expanded versions each time instead of going through a function
> > of an established library.
>
> These "fine abstractions" are also abstruse, while the set of primitives
> you never hesitate to impugn have carried Emacs through its entire
> existence.

Where in heck did I "impugn" Emacs's Lisp primitives?? I use them
all the time!!  I just think it's a really really bad idea to
use them exclusively, almost religiously, to inline existing utils
in write-only code.  When given the opportunity to demonstrate the
superiority of this approach to substitute cl-set-difference, you
failed.  It's just my opinion, of course, but that hard patent fact
that is on display in this thread, along with the hard patent fact
that I simply failed to notice your mistake -- because reading that
code takes much more effort -- is a much better demonstration
of the relative "abstrusity" of the practice you so energetically
recommend.

Like Dmitry, I don't think it's because you don't have
coding ability or intelligence -- which you most clearly do --
just that your practice lends itself to these problems _more often
than_ other more eclectic and pondered practices such as using
more programming techniques.

João