Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:53:32 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >>> It isn't like we as a project never made any mistakes, but
> >>> there's no reason to assume this decision is one of them
> >>> until we have ample evidence.
> >> 
> >> Seq is 10 years in Emacs
> >
> > It is preloaded only since a little more than a year ago.
> 
> Why is it important again if something is preloaded or not?
> 
> What does it mean in terms of technology?
> 
> And apart from technology, is it also some kind of
> political signal?

It means that we consider it useful and important enough to have it
always available, including in the code that gets dumped into the bare
vanilla un-customized Emacs.

> I must admit, both points are vague to me. We understand that
> the increase in complexity of Elisp because of the use of
> cl-lib is unrelated to when cl-lib is loaded.

You don't have to understand it.  The maintainers do, but you don't.
If needed, we will point out the implications if they are relevant to
the changes you submit to Emacs.

> Are you keeping it out of some preloaded subset of Elisp?
> Is that "the last stand" vs Common Lisp that Elisp is making?

Don't be ridiculous.