Re: [External] : Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?

[Po Lu]

Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:

> It is loaded when it is used. When it is loaded is
> a technicality at that point, unless the preloaded or not
> distinction has some hidden meaning I'm unaware of.

Preloaded Lisp is present within the dumped emacs binary, other Lisp is
not.  I don't think any distinction could be more marked than that.

> "cl-loop" appears 1004 times in the Emacs source so a lot of
> people put it do good use. I also think `cl-loop' is
> very useful.

Those 1004 instances are precisely what we are trying to prevent from
growing, and then reduce.  They are incomprehensible to Emacs Lisp
programmers and therefore antithetical to how Emacs Lisp should be
written.