Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?

[Po Lu]

Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:

> As we have seen here and in the stats I provided earlier in
> the thread how much cl-lib is used, it follows a lot of people
> have been able to put it into good use. It is not too
> complicated for anyone, and often on the contrary makes the
> code shorter and easier to read.

For you.  Not for Alan, Richard, Eli, or me, or for scores of others.

If four active Emacs developers have expressed their discontent at an
undoubtedly popular feature, there there must be more users scratching
their heads in the face of cl-lib code among the ranks of the
disenfranchised Emacs users deterred from voicing their concerns as to
the Emacs development process by our allegedly unfamiliar development
practices, or so the frequently-cited truism goes.  The self-anointed
warriors who generally take every opportunity to fight for their
representation are uncharacteristically taciturn in this regard.  But
that is by the by, since ultimately the practices we adopt are subject
to the concerns of people who must read this code; and alas, very few of
our users do, for largely unrelated reasons.

> If a bunch of guys take on the entire Emacs source and for that reason
> want a more simple Elisp, then that's their opinion based on their
> particular point of view. But cl-lib is still awesome and makes the
> code better, not worse.

You are entitled to that view, but when this "bunch of guys" have to
tread through such code, they are, in like fashion, entitled to a say in
how it is written.  Correct?