Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?

[Po Lu]

João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com> writes:

> You want to believe that, obviously, what can I do? you're preaching
> to your choir of converts.  IMO this just a very poor generatlization
> on far-fetched conceptions of 20.000 feet views and vague defition of
> merits.  If you would show me code, I could tell you if I think a
> given cl-loop is frivolous or not like I did there.  But t would still
> be my opinion, and we'd descend into this ridiculous thesaurus-fueled
> rambling again.
>
> So take care and learn loop or don't, I don't care.

Then there's no point in continuing, is there?  Because my intent was to
arrive at a consensus agreeable to me and others who resent the
pervasiveness of cl-loop, and that of like contrivances in general.

If you're insular enough to never accept anything in that vein, then no
consensus can be established, since I'm well aware I too am hidebound to
my own beliefs, formed and tempered by time, such that I will not
concede in this regard.  Thus instead of assenting to a series of
procedures that preclude the introduction of cryptic code, the stage
will be set for more bickering to erupt each time one of us chances upon
code he needlessly cannot understand, consequent on the refusal of
Common Lisp sectarians like you to write simple loops with constructs
native to *this* language.