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Re: [O] Org Writer's room
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Rainer M Krug |
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Re: [O] Org Writer's room |
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Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:11:51 +0100 |
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On 07/12/12 13:57, Matt Price wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Rainer M Krug <address@hidden> wrote:
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>> On 06/12/12 16:51, Matt Price wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Eric Abrahamsen <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/06/12 20:09 PM, Matt Price wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Eric Abrahamsen <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>> Matt Price <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Alan L Tyree <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 06/12/12 11:22, Rasmus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew Hyatt <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like an interesting project. My advice is to make a few
>>>>>>>>>> screenshots that give people an idea what you are working towards.
>>>>>>>>>> Of course,
>>>>>>>>>> they could be completely fake, but it would be helpful to understand
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> people like me who haven't used Scrivener.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would also like to see this. It sounds nice when I read your
>>>>>>>>> description,
>>>>>>>>> but I still don't fully appreciate the idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> –Rasmus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm also very interested. I haven't used Scrivener -- what features do
>>>>>>>> you see
>>>>>>>> as making org a *way* better writing environment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To start with I would like to just replicate this window structure,
>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>> keeps you focused on writing, while having the larger structure
>>>>>>> available if you
>>>>>>> feel the need to flit around a bit. The third screenshot shows a
>>>>>>> semi-fake, still
>>>>>>> very primitive version of what I'd like to have. (I haven't figured
>>>>>>> out a good way
>>>>>>> to do the metadata yet).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I *really* like the idea of having a right-hand pane available showing
>>>>>> properties
>>>>>> around the current point -- it could include properties from the
>>>>>> PROPERTIES drawer,
>>>>>> from the structure returned by `org-element-property', text properties,
>>>>>> and maybe
>>>>>> properties of the current headline parent. I'm sort of envisioning what
>>>>>> you get from
>>>>>> the "inspect element" command in Firefox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the left-hand pane, org-toc and org-panel in the contrib directory
>>>>>> (or even the
>>>>>> org-goto interface) might provide some inspiration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ugh, sounds like a lot of work.
>>>>>>
>>>>> those are 3 powerful tools I hadn't used before. org-toc not working for
>>>>> me at the
>>>>> moment though, there might be something wrong with my .emacs setup...
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, some of that's out of date. Actually, since Org looks like it will
>>>> be slowly
>>>> migrating over to a basis on org elements, that's probably a good
>>>> direction to look.
>>>> `org-element-parse-buffer' will return a data structure for the current
>>>> buffer that would
>>>> be ideal for creating a tree visualization.
>>>
>>> hmm, just looked at the output of that command and the data structures look
>>> like:
>>>
>>> (headline (:raw-value "The Function of Copyright" :begin 489 :end 610
>>> :pre-blank 0
>>> :hiddenp outline :contents-begin 517 ...) (section (:begin 517 :end 610
>>> :contents-begin
>>> 517 :contents-end 610 :post-blank 0 :parent #1)))
>>>
>>> Those integers are char numbers in the buffer -- would this list then have
>>> to be updated
>>> for every character stroke? Hmm, I also can pretty much see how to get
>>> each :raw-value and
>>> turn it into text that's presented in a buffer... but I don't understand
>>> how to associate
>>> that text with the existing headline in an org file. Speedbar seems like a
>>> much easier
>>> option, but while the org-mode parser is nowworking for me(yay!) I can't
>>> make the
>>> same-frame package work (sr-speedbar)! Gosh darn it!
>>>
>>> ANyway, thanks eveyrone, I'm going to keep needing help on this so if you
>>> have more
>>> suggestions please keep them coming..
>>
>> Looking forward to the right side of the three... As the left side is using
>> existing
>> packages, could you post the commands needed to make it work? I only have it
>> on the right
>> side, and I assume you are using hooks to start sr-speedbar?
>>
>
> I don't have the speedbar interface running properly yet (no time the last
> couple of days).
> sr-speedbar is not working right for me, so I am tryng some code from
> emacswiki (which is also
> posted in various places around the web):
>
> http://emacswiki.org/emacs/SpeedBar#toc1
OK - waiting for news on this front. For the time, I will be using the
sr-speedbar.
>
> I'm noticing a few issues:
>
> - at least on my machine, it's not easy to click on a heading that has
> subheadings. THe trick
> is probably to make some improvements to the underlying org/speedbar
> integration.
True - works only for the "last" headers.
> - when speedbar is running in the same frame as other windows, it isn't so
> good at determining
> where it should open new buffers. Binding the clicks to my
> writers-room-pop-buffer function
> should fix that. - the builtin speedbar browsers are awesome, but I think it
> would be better to
> have a stripped-down interfacd that only showed the project you're working
> on. I guess the way
> to do that would be to extend speedbr with a new major or minor mode. (
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/speedbar/Major-Display-Modes.html#Major-Display-Modes
>
>
). It doesn't look that ocmplicated but I need to learn a bunch
> before I do it...
Agreed - would be very useful.
>
> All the code I have (not much) is still available at the github repo I
> posted at the beginning
> of this thread, https://github.com/titaniumbones/org-writers-room/
>
> I tried adding some speedbar stuff but it's very very rough! If you feel
> like improving it --
> that would be just super... In any case go ahead and try it ou. It doesn't
> do much and I'm
> pretty sure it an't do any harm to your files, but I would love some
> feedback. Thanks,
I unfortunately know nothing about elisp so I won't be of any help here, except
testing.
If you announce some testable versions, I would be happy using them and give
feedback.
Cheers,
Rainer
> Matt
>
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- Re: [O] Org Writer's room, (continued)
- Re: [O] Org Writer's room, Matt Price, 2012/12/06
- Re: [O] Org Writer's room, Matt Price, 2012/12/06
- Re: [O] Org Writer's room, Eric Abrahamsen, 2012/12/06
- Re: [O] Org Writer's room, Matt Price, 2012/12/06
- Re: [O] Org Writer's room, Rainer M Krug, 2012/12/07
- Re: [O] Org Writer's room, Matt Price, 2012/12/07
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