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Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups
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Achim Gratz |
Subject: |
Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups |
Date: |
Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:48:30 +0100 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.92 (gnu/linux) |
Bastien writes:
> I don't like it for at least these reasons:
>
> - it introduces an advice in the code -- we should work toward
> removing them, not adding them.
That's the mechanism Emacs provides for dealing with those situations.
I could do it without an advice, but it would still do the same things,
namely unload all features that have been shadowed by changing load-path
so that they can be re-loaded from the correct place. It may have
escaped your attention, but the advice is de-activated at the earliest
possible moment and will not affect any later uses of require.
> - it advices `require', which is a very core function in Emacs.
Which has been discussed on Emacs devel and has been pronounced safe in
this case.
> This is completely hackish.
Like a few hundred other places in Emacs and Org. Also, when some day
Emacs will perhaps solve the problem, the solution will likely be
something very similar: renaming the require primitive and creating a
wrapper in Lisp that does what the advice is doing.
> This is like telling Windows users to reboot their system so that it
> can works correctly (remember the old days?). It feels wrong. And I
> doubt we can educate the users -- there are many of them, and many
> don't have the time to tell they have a problem.
So why are you trying to educate users not to use ELPA when you think
it's a waste of time?
> I'm not sure what solution you suggest here.
A problem produced by a certain piece of software should be fixed by
that same software. For example, if starter-kit insists on loading Org
before things are ready, it should also unload Org after it is finished
using it and before the actual initialization commences.
> In general, I think the benefit of having several ELPA distributions
> of Org is not worth the trouble of dealing with installation issues.
You're confusing me. Do you want to remove Org from ELPA or not?
Regards,
Achim.
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- [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Moritz Ulrich, 2013/01/23
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Bastien, 2013/01/24
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Achim Gratz, 2013/01/24
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Bastien, 2013/01/24
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Achim Gratz, 2013/01/25
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Bastien, 2013/01/25
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Bastien, 2013/01/25
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Achim Gratz, 2013/01/25
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Bastien, 2013/01/26
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups,
Achim Gratz <=
- Re: [O] org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups, Bastien, 2013/01/26